You can't "lock" something that doesn't exist.

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Originally Posted by Penthea

I literally said if we can't access something then we're locked out of it. You're over-complicating it by assuming I have an opinion I didn't state.

I'm trying to dispel this idea that OP has that something can't be locked if it doesn't exist. Considering we do know male viera exist in the story, that point they made is contradictory.

This doesn't mean they won't be released at a later date but that's another conversation based on maybes.



Please direct me to where I said we cannot ask for something that doesn't exist in the game. Good luck finding it.

Lol, all this drama and assumptions about my opinions thrown at me just because I said "if it's in the story and we can't play it, it's locked."

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You saying that 'if we can't access something then we're locked out of it' is entirely *your opinion*. You even admit it at the end of this post: 'lol, all this drama and assumptions about *my opinions* thrown at me just because I said........'

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Originally Posted by Penthea

Please direct me to where I said we cannot ask for something that doesn't exist in the game. Good luck finding it.

Lol, all this drama and assumptions about my opinions thrown at me just because I said "if it's in the story and we can't play it, it's locked."

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Did I say you said that? You're assuming I'm assuming you said something. Please don't twist my words if you didn't understand them.

I was talking about the outrage done here by people on the forums being hypocritical, since it was only unleashed for male Viera and nothing else. Since according to your logic (this is where your part comes in), we had things locked for a long time but no one said anything regarding them.

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Originally Posted by Joven

You saying that 'if we can't access something then we're locked out of it' is entirely *your opinion*. You even admit it at the end of this post: 'lol, all this drama and assumptions about *my opinions* thrown at me just because I said........'

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Reaching again. I'm referring to the opinions you claim I have when I stated none.

Saying that things in the story we can't play are locked isn't an opinion. It's a fact. While female hrothgar are up for debate, male viera are not. We know they exist in lore.

For the record I am strongly against gender locking. But my main issue with the viera and hrothgar isn't that. It's that they're very stereotypical in some ways. The female viera are slender, elegant and sexy. The male hrothgar are large, muscular and imposing. These are overdone tropes of gender presentation. Countless games have had men and women depicted in this form. It's boring. SE are better than this. I'm also not fond of how ronso are essentially miqos on steroids. We already had a cat race. Now we will have two. Also I was one of the voices who wanted viera before they were announced. Both genders.

By the way, the above is an opinion. It appears you need some education on what that is.

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Originally Posted by Penthea

Reaching again. I'm referring to the opinions you claim I have when I stated none.

Saying that things in the story we can't play are locked isn't an opinion. It's a fact. While female hrothgar are up for debate, male viera are not. We know they exist in lore.

For the record I am strongly against gender locking. But my main issue with the viera and hrothgar isn't that. It's that they're very stereotypical in some ways. The female viera are slender, elegant and sexy. The male hrothgar are large, muscular and imposing. These are overdone tropes of gender presentation. Countless games have had men and women depicted in this form. It's boring. SE are better than this. I'm also not fond of how ronso are essentially miqos on steroids. We already had a cat race. Now we will have two. Also I was one of the voices who wanted viera before they were announced. Both genders.

By the way, the above is an opinion. It appears you need some education on what that is.

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A fact is something that the majority agrees on or is provable through experimentation. You seem to be the one who needs a lesson in facts vs opinions.

Viera have alway been slender, elegant and sexy in every game they've been in since their introduction. On top of that they've also been portrayed as only female in those same games and it's never been a problem. As for Hrothgar, what's wrong with a beastly tribe being large muscular and imposing? Their appearance imbodies the primal animal kingdom and the animal kingdom is ruled by strength. Also, if you don't like the feline face options for Hrothgar then they have a wolf-like head as well.

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Originally Posted by Joven

A fact is something that the majority agrees on or is provable through experimentation. You seem to be the one who needs a lesson in facts vs opinions.

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K. Whatever you say Mister throws assumptions.

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Originally Posted by Joven

Viera have alway been slender, elegant and sexy in every game they've been in since their introduction. On top of that they've also been portrayed as only female in those same games and it's never been a problem. As for Hrothgar, what's wrong with a beastly tribe being large muscular and imposing? Their appearance imbodies the primal animal kingdom and the animal kingdom is ruled by strength. Also, if you don't like the feline face options for Hrothgar then they have a wolf-like head as well.

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You miss the point. The problem is where we could have diversity, we have none. The absence of male viera and female hrothgar is the absence of diversity.

It's not necessarily about them being viera, hrothgar or anything. It's about how the playable genders look. There are no elegant, slender and sexy males. There are no large, imposing and muscular bestial females.

I'm tired of being pigeonholed into being a cutesy or sexy race if I want to play a female with bestial features. And I know others are tired of masculinity always equating to being larger and stronger than comparitively smaller women.

It's boring to see this over and over again.

What is the point of this thread? To start drama? 1.0 was genderlocked. They unlocked and gave us boicats, and female this and thats. Why go out of your way to post a thread badmouthing people who only want to choose the gender they want for the race they like??

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Originally Posted by Melichoir

Humor me then, what would you call it when a player race only has one available gender?

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An all/ only Female or Male race.

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Originally Posted by SendohJin

the semantic problem is people who use this term incorrectly trivialize the solution.

the response is frequently "just unlock it", "unlock it already" when it really should be, "we want 2 complete races added this expansion instead of 2 halves". it sounds much more unreasonable to ask for two races to be added to one expansion.

it allows them to be entitled without sounding like it. it allows them to make what would normally be an unreasonable demand sound more reasonable.

maybe some people feel like we're owed two races since Stormblood didn't have one and that's probably a discussion worth having but we rarely if ever talk about it like that because semantics dictates that we just talk about unlocking what's been locked.

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This really is the reason behind this and doesn't get enough focus.
Which is why I casually point this out when I come to these forums. It's alarmist in that it makes others think something being taken away from them and makes it seem that it can easily be fixed.

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Originally Posted by Penthea

K. Whatever you say Mister throws assumptions.



You miss the point. The problem is where we could have diversity, we have none. The absence of male viera and female hrothgar is the absence of diversity.

It's not necessarily about them being viera, hrothgar or anything. It's about how the playable genders look. There are no elegant, slender and sexy males. There are no large, imposing and muscular bestial females.

I'm tired of being pigeonholed into being a cutesy or sexy race if I want to play a female with bestial features. And I know others are tired of masculinity always equating to being larger and stronger than comparitively smaller women.

It's boring to see this over and over again.

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None of your statements presents any evidence that what you say is taken as fact. So tell me again how I'm throwing assumptions around.

If you have a problem with being 'cutesy' or 'sexy' and find the concept boring then maybe this game isn't for you. This game doesn't need more diversity as there's plenty of it already. If you want to play as a beefy woman pick fem-roes or hyur highlanders, both of which can be pretty muscular. You claim you're tired of being cutesy yet you chose to play as a catgirl, yeah, ok.

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Originally Posted by Veliaire

What is the point of this thread? To start drama? 1.0 was genderlocked. They unlocked and gave us boicats, and female this and thats. Why go out of your way to post a thread badmouthing people who only want to choose the gender they want for the race they like??

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Just because OP has a different opinion doesn't mean they're badmouthing people. All they're saying is that you're using a word in a wrong manner and why people didn't get the other genders. They didn't say that you're not allowed to ask for the gender you want for the race you like. An opinion is not an attack.

So let me ask this, do you consider both sentences to be one and the same in terms of meaning and why?

• Please remove the lock on X feature in the game
• Please add X feature to the game

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Originally Posted by Veliaire

What is the point of this thread? To start drama? 1.0 was genderlocked. They unlocked and gave us boicats, and female this and thats. Why go out of your way to post a thread badmouthing people who only want to choose the gender they want for the race they like??

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So where exactly in the following post is the OP badmouthing anyone? Seems to me you're the one opening her post for drama. There is nothing in her/his OP that creates drama from what I can see. The OP seems to make a lot of sense to me and isn't attacking anyone other than expressing an opinion in a polite and courteous way about why only two genders were made. I totally agree with everything she has said.

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Originally Posted by JohnnyDevo

I'm seeing all sorts of stuff about "gender lock" on the two new races, as if SE is purposefully withholding content from us, and that female Hrothgar and male Viera exist as playable races, but are "locked" from us.

The thing is, making another gender of an existing race is the same amount of work as making a single gender of a new race. You can't just slap boobs on a hrothgar and call it female, you have to make an entirely new model, and you have to match existing gear to it, you have to make all the new customization options, and the list of things just goes on.

The fact is, it takes the same amount of manpower and effort to make a single race with two genders as it does to make two races with a single gender.

They did not have the manpower to make two races with two genders. They've told us this, and they've said that because they wanted to include hrothgar, a concession had to be made.

Yes, I do believe the other genders should be created. But no, I don't believe there's any locking, malice, personal attacks on sexuality, or anything of that nature that I've seen in the general hubbub that is these forums.

We got a nice thing. We had to lose another nice thing to get it. I'd say have patience, and that the extra genders will come eventually.

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