JP Only

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Originally Posted by Colino

So asking to be able to use english in a country that speaks english is english-centric?

Ok... We should all convert to glorious Nippon instead so we can capture all the chinpokomon.

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Nope, just pointing out that on an international gaming platform, requiring international players to only communicate in English is English-centric.

You're also assuming that I glorify Japan. Nope, not even close. I am responding to this thread as someone from a culture that has had intensely volatile relationships with Japan, historically and personally. It's easy for me to respond with pathos and disregard all objective reasoning. Unfortunately I cannot just dismiss "JP Only" shouts as discriminatory. Relevant section is below:

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Originally Posted by Mikita

One day a Japanese friend was shouting for a party and included "JP Only" in the shout.

I know he is not a racist person, so I asked him why he said "JP Only".

He said he meant that he could only communicate in Japanese.

I asked him if he knew many English speakers feel it is discrimination and get upset when they see that.

He was shocked and felt ashamed.

He said would actually like an opportunity to play with English speaking players, but he could not communicate in English and he did not want to cause problems because he could not use the language.

This will not explain all situations of JP Only, but this is one side of the story.

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I really believe that 90% of the time, JP Only shouts mean "I only speak Japanese" instead of "Japanese players only."

Language and perception are such interesting things, n'est-ce pas?

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Originally Posted by Spellbinder

I still don't think splitting the community up into separate boxes is going to solve anything. People can already separate themselves if they want to.

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This exactly. I have no idea why there are still people crying about JP/EN/FR/etc only parties.. If you want to PT with them so bad... learn some of the language.. and if not, then go PT w/ someone else. Players with apparently low self-esteem who rage over not getting into a party where ppl don't even speak your languague are just a lost cause. SE has already stated that they will keep the international servers, so those of us who CAN play nicely with other people in different languages will still be able to just as we do now. Whenever they get around to offering regional (or simply language specific) servers, those who can't handle a simple culture shock are free to scurry into their own dead servers. Good luck with that.

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Originally Posted by Spellbinder

As one person pointed out with a fine example, although it is often perceived as discrimination (which is definitely a bad thing), its simply meant as "we're looking for people who can speak Japanese to play with us". Is that wrong? They're not trying to single you out as the mean foreigner they don't want to invite. Taking on that Japanese players testament again, most Japanese players don't know enough English to say "we're looking for Japanese speakers", "JP Only" is short and from there perspective is understandable. We don't need separate servers its not going to change anything, we just need better communication.

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You can think that but i no better. Im not new to ff mmos. i spent alomst half my life on them. I no better. This my be your experience but its not mine. I was told IN ENGLISH "NA player no good i'm sorry"... thats just not the same thing you are making it out to be. (7 years in ff11 SEVEN)

And i am sorry i gotta say NA players do not do this. They more time then JP players party with anyone. So YES its wrong to me and i am entitled to think that way. As you are also. Lets leave it as we agree to disagree. We do not need better Communication we need either:

A) people willing to use auto-translate and party with others
B) Single Language servers

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Originally Posted by DNO

You can think that but i no better. Im not new to ff mmos. i spent alomst half my life on them. I no better. This my be your experience but its not mine. I was told IN ENGLISH "NA player no good i'm sorry"... thats just not the same thing you are making it out to be. (7 years in ff11 SEVEN)

And i am sorry i gotta say NA players do not do this. They more time then JP players party with anyone. So YES its wrong to me and i am entitled to think that way. As you are also. Lets leave it as we agree to disagree.

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So, 7 years on XI and 1 year on XIV? So you're about 16-18? That would explain a lot if true.

No: Negating word, ex. There are no "b's" in apple.
Know: percieved, ex. I know who you are.

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Originally Posted by DNO

You can think that but i no better. Im not new to ff mmos. i spent alomst half my life on them. I no better. This my be your experience but its not mine. I was told IN ENGLISH "NA player no good i'm sorry"... thats just not the same thing you are making it out to be. (7 years in ff11 SEVEN)

And i am sorry i gotta say NA players do not do this.

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I stopped reading here. I've heard so many horror stories from Japanese players about being harassed by American players I don't know where to begin. Don't make the Japanese players out to be bad guys. There are mean people on both sides, and I am sad for you that one bad apple spoiled the bunch for you. Much in the same way a few apples from the other side spoiled the bunch for some Japanese players.

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Originally Posted by Spellbinder

I stopped reading here. I've heard so many horror stories from Japanese players about being harassed by American players I don't know where to begin. Don't make the Japanese players out to be bad guys. There are mean people on both sides, and I am sad for you that one bad apple spoiled the bunch for you. Much in the same way a few apples from the other side spoiled the bunch for some Japanese players.

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Key word, some. As in, not nearly all. This is an absolute truth. As you were saying DNO seems to have their own personal issues they need to work out.

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Originally Posted by Spellbinder

One. Assuming they do create new servers, they're still going to be in Japan so I don't see how that improves latency.

Two. How does taking a big group of people and splitting them into smaller groups create more people to speak the same language?

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Are you insane?

Dude if you take all the English speakers from all 8 servers and put them in one server and all the JP speakers and add them to one server it is MORE PEOPLE TO PLAY WITH ON A SINGLE SERVER.

Why would SE take people out and not give everyone the chance to go to the server they just added?

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Originally Posted by Issac

Key word, some. As in, not nearly all. This is an absolute truth. As you were saying DNO seems to have their own personal issues they need to work out.

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If i have issues then let me work them out.. didnt you leave before? Why are you here? Your a troll who adds zero to this debate.

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Originally Posted by Spellbinder

I stopped reading here. I've heard so many horror stories from Japanese players about being harassed by American players I don't know where to begin. Don't make the Japanese players out to be bad guys. There are mean people on both sides, and I am sad for you that one bad apple spoiled the bunch for you. Much in the same way a few apples from the other side spoiled the bunch for some Japanese players.

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I have never heard of NA players saying JP only. Sorry but if it happens then all the more reason to get English servers.

Either way its wrong weather its JP or NA. I never once saw a NA say "NA Only" but if it happens and im wrong it still does not negate my point. We need people to play together or go to a server where they will play with everyone.

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Originally Posted by DNO

If i have issues then let me work them out.. didnt you leave before? Why are you here? Your a troll who adds zero to this debate.

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I'm here because I don't want the loudest voice to be the one calling for segregated servers. No thank you.