So votekick >abuse< is practically allowed?

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Originally Posted by Riepah

A Dragoon was kicked from coil turn 1 for unintentionally causing 2 wipes because they were new and nobody bothered to explain the fight to them, kick vote initiated by a raging, arrogant and rude tank.

I talked to a GM about it. Not considered votekick abuse. Examples of vote kick abuse: Kicking people before loot drops to intentionally keep them from getting it, or kicking people before the final boss to intentionally keep them from getting the dungeon clear.

Kicking people for being new? Fair game - but it shouldn't be, the rules need some looking at.

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SE is notorious for being backwardss with their common sense.

I'll put up with some serious ****, if the person is presenting so much trouble that the party would be much better off without them, I'll first ask that person politely to excuse theirself from the party, and if they refuse, I or someone else will initiate the vote kick and I'll apologize to them before they leave. I don't like doing it and makes me feel guilty ever removing someone or asking them to leave, but seriously, I'm not going to waste an extra hour doing something that normally only takes far less time.

Everyone has their playstyles, their own personalities, their own levels of patience, their own time agendas and separate responsibilities(either inside or outside the game). Not every group will see eye to eye or meet each others' expectations.

I only ask that people try try TRY to treat each other with respect and seriously consider another players' feelings before making use of the vote-kick feature.

-Koji Kajael

SE and their GMs being practically useless has been "a thing" since FFXI, but its interesting to hear that vote kicking new players isn't against the ToS, coulda swore I read it was in there before, maybe I just interpreted it wrong but as with "uncommon sense" goes, kicking a new player because they a) dont know any better, or b) arent "properly" geared, should in all honesty be against the ToS.

Once when st was new i was kicked on the last boss for what i can only imagine was loot (no wipes, no complaints). Its the only time ive ever been kicked but it still bugs me a little. Still, there was no chat at all going on so theres really nothing to prove my case. Just move on and think twice before clicking yes the next time someone initiates a votekick, we as a community can set the norm for what is acceptable :)

What bloody data groups are you guys in that you see 3/4 of these examples daily? I've never, ever, in my time of playing this game, ever come across anyone who has abused the vote kick system. Yeah, I'm sure it happens now and then. But people are assholes, that won't change.

If you're witnessing this every day, 3/4 times, then there really might be a problem with you.

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Originally Posted by Jeckyl_Tesla

What bloody data groups are you guys in that you see 3/4 of these examples daily? I've never, ever, in my time of playing this game, ever come across anyone who has abused the vote kick system. Yeah, I'm sure it happens now and then. But people are assholes, that won't change.

If you're witnessing this every day, 3/4 times, then there really might be a problem with you.

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Maybe because you were in agreement with those that voted for an eviction of the culprit ? thus of course you have never seen an abuse since you were part of the abusing people.....see what I mean to say ? (dont take this personally..but someone that tells me has never seen it is either of the two liar or part of the problem)

Mei

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Originally Posted by MeiUshu

Maybe because you were in agreement with those that voted for an eviction of the culprit ? thus of course you have never seen an abuse since you were part of the abusing people.....see what I mean to say ? (dont take this personally..but someone that tells me has never seen it is either of the two liar or part of the problem)

Mei

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Haha, oh my. That is quite the assumption. The thing is, I've never even seen the vote kick function used so far. Never had the need to do so. If you see it non-stop however, and it is aimed at you, then the problem may be there. You as in general.

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Originally Posted by Jeckyl_Tesla

Haha, oh my. That is quite the assumption. The thing is, I've never even seen the vote kick function used so far. Never had the need to do so. If you see it non-stop however, and it is aimed at you, then the problem may be there. You as in general.

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Never seen the vote kick function used? Do you ever use the DF without a premade group? Or roulettes?

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Originally Posted by Riepah

Never seen the vote kick function used? Do you ever use the DF without a premade group? Or roulettes?

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I'm in the same boat as Jeckyl, and I party up in the DF all the time without a premade.

The only time I've ever seen someone get kicked was if they repeatedly went afk without informing the group, DC'd for long periods of time, or were just being incredibly hostile. Even I only see the vote kick used once or twice a week.

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Originally Posted by ZaenKael

I'm in the same boat as Jeckyl, and I party up in the DF all the time without a premade.

The only time I've ever seen someone get kicked was if they repeatedly went afk without informing the group, DC'd for long periods of time, or were just being incredibly hostile. Even I only see the vote kick used once or twice a week.

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wow, that often ? the last vote kick I see is at sunday and the one before that is like....back in 2.3 something before 2.38