A summary of healer issues

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Originally Posted by Troxbark

SCH can do all that yes, but sge has far more versatility and simply does it better. A lot of people cope on chain stratagem but that does not justify the large gap between sch and sge. Sage has nearly the same shielding potential as sch, more mit options and better deployment of them, and can match whm in burst healing.

I would agree that whm is detriment on content that's on farm but is still unbeatable when it comes to prog or sloppy PF parties. However, given how one trick pony whm is that situation will never change.

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SCH has 2 10% and a 5%, SGE only has 2 10%’s not sure where you got that SGE has more mitigation, expedient is leagues above pneuma, tje fairy is better than kardia, critlo exceeds anything that SGE can put out

SGE’s one real niche is mobility, but in every other category it’s weaker (which isn’t a bad thing because it’s much easier especially in a PF environment when aetherflow isn’t a concern)

To be fair SCH's 5% is only magic damage, pretty fight dependent strength if you contrast it with SGE being more efficient at mitigating heavy tank damage via Haima and Taurochole. I still prefer Fey Illumination though because lol what heavy tank damage that they ever need help mitigating. SCH is definitely stronger at its ceiling.

I've been seeing an increase of people bashing SCH and elevating SGE, do you guys want SGE to be left behind again? How many buffs did it take to get it to be competitive?

Unless I'm missing them, I've seen a couple of people. I don't see a significant increase in people seeing that SGE outperforms SCH.

also the "left behind again" is a bit alarmist given that SGE was new and adjustments shouldn't have been a surprise, they were made fairly rapidly.

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Originally Posted by IDontPetLalas

Unless I'm missing them, I've seen a couple of people. I don't see a significant increase in people seeing that SGE outperforms SCH.

also the "left behind again" is a bit alarmist given that SGE was new and adjustments shouldn't have been a surprise, they were made fairly rapidly.

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It's not really alarmist, SE has been known to overcorrect. See the buff war between BRD and MCH in HW, also see how RPR was ahead on EW release and then they buffed every other melee and left RPR in the trash pile for quite a while.

I'm just warning that too many people saying "SGE is way better than SCH" may be harmful to SGE in the long run if they decide to overcorrect on buffing SCH.

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Originally Posted by Aravell

I'm just warning that too many people saying "SGE is way better than SCH" may be harmful to SGE in the long run if they decide to overcorrect on buffing SCH.

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Considering how strong Scholar is currently, I’m not sure how they even could buff it without it just becoming silly lol.

That said I do totally get the point about how things are framed. I mean look at the interviews about 2-min metas and past comments about healers. They always seem to take the completely wrong thing away from feedback lol. Maybe it’s a translations issue?

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Originally Posted by Aravell

It's not really alarmist, SE has been known to overcorrect. See the buff war between BRD and MCH in HW, also see how RPR was ahead on EW release and then they buffed every other melee and left RPR in the trash pile for quite a while.

I'm just warning that too many people saying "SGE is way better than SCH" may be harmful to SGE in the long run if they decide to overcorrect on buffing SCH.

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You misunderstand. I'm saying that there are the recent posts stating that SGE is far better that SCH are not indicative of large numbers of people thinking that it is so.

We can all think of cases in every game where a job or class has been adjusted and then has needed to be corrected again. I don't want to induce some paranoia because people are going to fear that their favourite job is going to get nerfed because of their comments, I wouldn't expect that any design team with any maturity would take comments at face value. They have should have metrics in addition to empirical evidence.

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Originally Posted by IDontPetLalas

We can all think of cases in every game where a job or class has been adjusted and then has needed to be corrected again. I don't want to induce some paranoia because people are going to fear that their favourite job is going to get nerfed because of their comments, I wouldn't expect that any design team with any maturity would take comments at face value. They have should have metrics in addition to empirical evidence.

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To be fair, we don't actually know what SE balances on, they have made decisions sometimes that leaves the majority of the community confused, I do think that people should be more careful with their words because we have no idea what SE will act on. Also, they've stated that they don't want to nerf jobs if possible, so if they take the "SGE>SCH" claims at face value, they'll just boost SCH and introduce powercreep, that's a very concerning prospect.

I'm not stating that SGE being buffed is a bad thing, it's obviously something they needed to do for it to be comparable. I'm just saying to be cautious when condemning another job and elevating your own, this could lead to unintended consequences.

Sometimes I wonder if SE know what they balance on ;)

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Originally Posted by Sebazy

Sometimes I wonder if SE know what they balance on ;)

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Playrate? Lol