New NMs

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

Don't you guys know they could easy just make HNM be 24-3days pop and allow you get the same item by doing BCNM type system? but no you guys are to in a hurry to bitch about 24+hours nm pop to even think about that.

FFXI did it that how i got one of my black belt item the rest was HNM -.- and i told myself i wont ever do HNM again to much work but i still want to see them in the game.

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Then the hardcores would bitch about gear being too common later down the road. There pretty much isn't a middle ground.

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Originally Posted by Akumu

There are plenty of ways to add rare great pieces of armor without having people waste 24hrs of life and fight against bots just to get. Full parties will get the best gear from dungeons and fighting NMs. Light parties will will get the good but not great pieces.

This game will not get 24hr HNMs just appeal to a small base that have a lot of time on their hands. Games can become challenging and harder without setting major time sinks. I'm hoping battle positions play a bigger part in tactics.

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What are you just making stuff up now? How do you know what will happen?

No one has to waste 24 hours of their life beCAUSE THE WINDOW IS ONLY 3 HOURS LONG. It could pop right off the bat you don't know. Is it really asking that much? Really?

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Originally Posted by Jeronlmo

@ Zenaku

Thats been stated but from the HNM people, ff11 had ein for HNM gear for the most part, casuals will never be happy.

Were not asking for HNM's right now, 75+ will do.

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Still casuals can just do a long ass quest chain or do a bcnm type mission to get the gear. Or wait 24+hours for the pop make both players type happy and if they think it still dumb idea then "Causals players" can't really see am middle ground to anything and should just go play something else or deal with it. Some players want to do something more hard the just solo all the dumb mission and zerg the nm like we are doing now,.

@corrderio: for the Causals BCNM type make the drop rate pretty low. If they bitch about that and can't meet a middle ground then i'm sorry FFXIV is not for you. Meet us hardcore somewhere in the middle or leave. Make HNM 24+hours a good drop rate but still hard to get and then the causal way low drop rate.

Hardcore and causals need to meet in the middle or this game would just fail.

make this game

50% Causlas and 50% hardcore and i love it at least there 50% of stuff i can do as a hardcore player.

@Visch ya that very true, 1-3hour pop is not bad all you have to do is get the dumb ass TOD if you to lazy for that then i'm sorry get out.

Again, Akumu, you do not have to camp HNM's, HNM LS's would be fine with other ways to get the same gear, we enjoy what we enjoy, why is it a personal goal of casuals to let HNM people have nothing at all.

Like in 11, casuals had access to sky/sea/nyzul/ein/dyna/salvage/znm's/scnm's and prob 10 others im forgetting which had the best of virtually the best of everything.

Its never enough, your goal isnt for things to be fair, your goal is to bring us all to the same level of mediocrity.

So basically you are all saying that if you cannot play the game how you want it then you are gonna quit OH MAMA

Amen sir.....

camping is no skill, no matter how much BS you guys type, camping will never be a skill.
k?
stop whining, get a life.

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Originally Posted by Visch

This sums up FFXIV NMs

http://images.wikia.com/ffxi/images/4/4c/Spook.JPG

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http://cheezcomixed.files.wordpress....stiwaslike.jpg

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Originally Posted by Moth

So basically you are all saying that if you cannot play the game how you want it then you are gonna quit OH MAMA

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Didn't you say you were going to combust if this game went casual? OH MAMA

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Originally Posted by Randis

camping is no skill, no matter how much BS you guys type, camping will never be a skill.
k?
stop whining, get a life.

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Just wait til I see you in game... You are gunna wish you never messed wit me.

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Originally Posted by Randis

camping is no skill, no matter how much BS you guys type, camping will never be a skill.
k?
stop whining, get a life.

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No one ever said camping = skills. Where do you make this stuff up?

Seriously...like this game needs HNMs and it needs instances...simple... not just ALL of one.

come on campers.....
This is getting boring

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Originally Posted by Keftenk

Didn't you say you were going to combust if this game went casual? OH MAMA

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Yes, I did O: 62 PAGES

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Originally Posted by Randis

come on campers.....
This is getting boring

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Do you have an argument other than you want to drag others down to your level so you can feel better?

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Originally Posted by Visch

What are you just making stuff up now? How do you know what will happen?

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What are we all doing on this forum? Are we not speculating, assuming, and generally just giving our opinion?

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No one has to waste 24 hours of their life beCAUSE THE WINDOW IS ONLY 3 HOURS LONG. It could pop right off the bat you don't know. Is it really asking that much? Really?

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What does 24 hour HNMs mean to you? Sounds like something that can only pop once every 24 hours. Further detail your OP and I wouldn't have made hasty assumptions.

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Originally Posted by Akumu

What are we all doing on this forum? Are we not speculating, assuming, and generally just giving our opinion?



What does 24 hour HNMs mean to you? Sounds like something that can only pop once every 24 hours. Further detail your OP and I wouldn't have made hasty assumptions.

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The OP wasn't as detailed as some of the other posts. Please forgive, my kind friend. Had you read further you'd understand though.

Where, please, did we say camping was skill, this is a real question, please follow with a quote.

Once again for those who refuse to read any of the thread and love to come out of nowhere with over-stated ideas, the idea of camping keeps gear semi rare instead of the entire server having every single piece of gear within a month of every update.

Your apparent goal is to beat the game so you can stop playing as fast as possible, why not cut out the middle man.

SE needs to start charging reguardless of what it is now, ill still be here having fun waiting for SE updates.

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Originally Posted by Visch

Do you have an argument other than you want to drag others down to your level so you can feel better?

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i would have to drag you UP to my level...
You have been nothing but trolling and typing with caps on, please do not blame me for not engaging in a serious discussion with you if you act like some confused infant.

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Originally Posted by Akumu

What are we all doing on this forum? Are we not speculating, assuming, and generally just giving our opinion?



What does 24 hour HNMs mean to you? Sounds like something that can only pop once every 24 hours. Further detail your OP and I wouldn't have made hasty assumptions.

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This doesn't look like speculation to me.

And hasty assumptions? Yeah I assumed that everyone wasn't completely brain dead (played XI).

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Originally Posted by Akumu

This game will not get 24hr HNMs

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Originally Posted by Randis

i would have to drag you UP to my level...
You have been nothing but trolling and typing with caps on, please do not blame me for not engaging in a serious discussion with you if you act like some confused infant.

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Would be hard to do that seeing as you don't even play.

You're the one bring the topic completely off track and making stuff up no one ever said.

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Originally Posted by Randis

i would have to drag you UP to my level...
You have been nothing but trolling and typing with caps on, please do not blame me for not engaging in a serious discussion with you if you act like some confused infant.

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Take Klaus up to your level? U cant even know how to do jaggles LOL.

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Originally Posted by Randis

i would have to drag you UP to my level...
You have been nothing but trolling and typing with caps on, please do not blame me for not engaging in a serious discussion with you if you act like some confused infant.

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Ever heard of the expression, don't feed the trolls?
If you don't post, they have nothing to do but circle jerk with one another.

Of course, everyone else would have to not post too, including myself haha

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Originally Posted by Jeronlmo

Again, Akumu, you do not have to camp HNM's, HNM LS's would be fine with other ways to get the same gear, we enjoy what we enjoy, why is it a personal goal of casuals to let HNM people have nothing at all.

Like in 11, casuals had access to sky/sea/nyzul/ein/dyna/salvage/znm's/scnm's and prob 10 others im forgetting which had the best of virtually the best of everything.

Its never enough, your goal isnt for things to be fair, your goal is to bring us all to the same level of mediocrity.

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Nah I'm far from casual I just don't like major time sinks holding me down. My bad though I thought in XI HNMs had time spawns. I also didn't bother reading through this 600+ post thread since i'm tired right now. however, after some rest i will read through and discuss any issue or whatever I may like after reading through it entirely.

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Originally Posted by Keftenk

Ever heard of the expression, don't feed the trolls?
If you don't post, they have nothing to do but circle jerk with one another.

Of course, everyone else would have to not post too, including myself haha

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Do you even play Final Fantasy XIV?

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Originally Posted by Akumu

Nah I'm far from casual.

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Guess not if you don't know how HNMs worked.

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Originally Posted by Visch

Do you even play Final Fantasy XIV?

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Ofc I do.

/10char

I don't think we have to worry, the elitists are the minority. Perfection will just keep posting their nonsense to rile everyone up, but I'm willing to bet that the devs know what's up and will keep the HNM nonsense out. After all, they can already use the leve system for the really challenging NM's if they wanted to.

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Originally Posted by Keftenk

Ever heard of the expression, don't feed the trolls?
If you don't post, they have nothing to do but circle jerk with one another.

Of course, everyone else would have to not post too, including myself haha

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i know... but its kinda fun :D

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Originally Posted by Randis

i know... but its kinda fun :D

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scrim l4d2?

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Originally Posted by BloodLotus

I don't think we have to worry, the elitists are the minority. Perfection will just keep posting their nonsense to rile everyone up, but I'm willing to bet that the devs know what's up and will keep the HNM nonsense out. After all, they can already use the leve system for the really challenging NM's if they wanted to.

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Leve system for REAL NMs?!?! Like seriously dude, look what the FNMs are like.....and you think that by adding more LEVE NMs it will solve the issue we're talking about in this entire thread?

Let me recap it for you.

Rare Gear [Can I have it?] Not everyone on the server using the same Dodore body bc they farm it more than Spook...

Liek srsly guise we dont need 24 hour repops...
We need 48 hour repops on a 24 hour window with a low chance of even happening and at stagnant hours of the weekday.
This will weed out the camp trash bags with puny poorly made thousand dollar programs they bought with their basement income of RMT activites from the super genetically engineeered campers on steroids, only then can we have a truly meaningful and worthwhile came that caters to the best of the best players who truly deserve to get the gear instead of all these little scrawny pasty guys... who havent learned that you dont need to take care of your daily needs yourself when you have doctors and aids around the clock monitoring your vitals to ensure the best transition of a automated camp schedule on the dot.

I mean c'mon, 24 hours? Thats a joke to my kind.

Inb4 some camper trash bag makes another comment on camping timers needing to be 24 hours to push out the termed "casuals", if you're not pushing yourself to strive into longer spans then 24 hours to challenge yourself mentally and physically on all levels... Then its no different than wanting a monopoly to be placed on items to your liking.

Also, LOL at the people wanting more "hardcore" suited content when the game has been stated for a more casual player base of lower tier humanoids, you're surely not getting it first.

No.94732 Signing.

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Originally Posted by Scarface

Leve system for REAL NMs?!?! Like seriously dude, look what the FNMs are like.....and you think that by adding more LEVE NMs it will solve the issue we're talking about in this entire thread?

Let me recap it for you.

Rare Gear [Can I have it?] Not everyone on the server using the same Dodore body bc they farm it more than Spook...

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lol thanks for making my point.

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Originally Posted by BloodLotus

lol thanks for making my point.

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Let me guess, you guys use 15 people on FNMs and kite it using dia/bio/poison to kill it while kiting.

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Originally Posted by Hypnotoad

Liek srsly guise we dont need 24 hour repops...
We need 48 hour repops on a 24 hour window with a low chance of even happening and at stagnant hours of the weekday

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I liked this part.

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Originally Posted by Hypnotoad

This will weed out the camp trash bags with puny poorly made thousand dollar programs they bought with their basement income of RMT activites from the super genetically engineeered campers on steroids, only then can we have a truly meaningful and worthwhile came that caters to the best of the best players who truly deserve to get the gear instead of all these little scrawny pasty guys... who havent learned that you dont need to take care of your daily needs yourself when you have doctors and aids around the clock monitoring your vitals to ensure the best transition of a automated camp schedule on the dot.

I mean c'mon, 24 hours? Thats a joke to my kind.

Inb4 some camper trash bag makes another comment on camping timers needing to be 24 hours to push out the termed "casuals", if you're not pushing yourself to strive into longer spans then 24 hours to challenge yourself mentally and physically on all levels... Then its no different than wanting a monopoly to be placed on items to your liking.

Also, LOL at the people wanting more "hardcore" suited content when the game has been stated for a more casual player base of lower tier humanoids, you're surely not getting it first.

No.94732 Signing.

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I didn't like this part much.

What are you even talking about? In an interview forever ago someone said "We had XIV to have more options for casual gamers but the competition aspects will please hardcore XI players" or something like that.

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Originally Posted by Scarface

Let me guess, you guys use 15 people on FNMs and kite it using dia/bio/poison to kill it while kiting.

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Bad guess.

My turn, you want a 36 hour pop with a 24 hour window so you can use your botting program to claim the NM so you can call yourself hardcore.

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Originally Posted by BloodLotus

Bad guess.

My turn, you want a 36 hour pop with a 24 hour window so you can use your botting program to claim the NM so you can call yourself hardcore.

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What are you talking about dude, lol. I want RARE GEAR. Not everyone spamming one NM and in a month everyone is running around the same..

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Originally Posted by BloodLotus

Bad guess.

My turn, you want a 36 hour pop with a 24 hour window so you can use your botting program to claim the NM so you can call yourself hardcore.

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1Hour or 50hour NM pop players would still use fail bot program so get over yourself.

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Originally Posted by Visch

Do you even play Final Fantasy XIV?



Guess not if you don't know how HNMs worked.

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I thought HNMs just referred to the high level NMs that took a lot of people to kill and most of the time the NM would give a title after defeat? Meh maybe i'm wrong and talking just for the sake of. I also thought Nidhogg was considered an HNM and he was a lottery spawn that took days to get a chance to kill? Maybe I am wrong but nonetheless If I am then I will accept it.

Also, being hardcore doesn't mean you know and remember everything in and out about the game. That would be an elitist which I have never claimed to be. To me a hardcore gamer is someone willing to achieve the greatest rewards the game has to offer by putting in the most effort. Casuals are someone that are very busy but enjoys gaming when he/she can for however long that may be each session.

Enjoy the discussion though. I'm going to sleep and will read this entire thread tomorrow and will post if I still have an issue.

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

1Hour or 50hour NM pop players would still use fail bot program so get over yourself.

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Claim bots didn't even work in XI.

Just because you got outclaimed doesn't mean you cry haxs. It's luck.

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Originally Posted by Akumu

Also, being hardcore doesn't mean you know and remember everything in and out about the game.

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It's common knowledge dude. They all worked the same way, just admit that you have no idea what you're talking about.

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Originally Posted by Scarface

What are you talking about dude, lol. I want RARE GEAR. Not everyone spamming one NM and in a month everyone is running around the same..

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So instead of a timer why not a very (astonishingly, amazingly, absurdly, ridiculously, etc.) difficult nm?

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Originally Posted by Visch

Claim bots didn't even work in XI.

Just because you got outclaimed doesn't mean you cry haxs. It's luck.

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humm, maybe it did collide with your fishing bot app? try reinstalling.