Would you be opposed to SE implementing a program to scan for addons/parsers?

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Originally Posted by Kazhar

I'd say true losers are those who blame their own failings on an increasing numbers of excuses instead of trying to get better.
You're not bad, it's the fault of those dirty cheaters who uses dps meters and chat bubbles!
By the way, while your gimmick is certainly cute, there's probably a more interesting story beneath all that. You said you cleared P1S and P2S at some point, and that you consider savage content the true RPG experience. But they were released more than 6 months ago, what made you stop?

EDIT: Oh, you edited your previous post right as I asked. Nevermind then. More self-righteousness, who would have thought.

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Self-righteousness = fair play. You are irredeemable and I hope god judges you harshly.

Also, imagine caring about being good at this game. You are truly a joke among men. You'll have to picture me caring about your jabs at my performance in an mmorpg. Try really hard.

What really happened is: Elden ring came out and it was a better experience than this cheating game.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

I'm sure nobody posting in this thread uses addons ;)

Let's clear a few things up too. I haven't been playing this game since long before dragonflight came out.

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I've been playing since ARR. What's your point?

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

I was only brought here because of what happened with the world first scandal. I didn't know how bad the addon problem was, and I had already been losing interest in this game because the content rolls out so slowly. Now that I know the addon problem is as bad as it is? Why would I ever subscribe to this game of sanctioned cheaters? It's different in WoW because it is officially supported and I don't have to download sketchy unsupported addons that are hidden in the dark web because they are against the ToS.

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oh boy here we go...
You don't know how bad the addon problem is because you're clearly overestimating their proliferation and catastrophizing. It's not nearly as bad as you seem to want to believe it is.
This isn't a game of "sanctioned cheaters."
You're not going to find any plugins or addons or third party tools etc etc on the darkweb lmao. None of them are hiding or difficult to find or inaccessible.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

Why would I support a company that supports cheating directly? All the ultimate weapons used to look so cool and I'd actually feel respect for the players holding them, now? It just feels cringe to look at. 99% chance they abused cheats to get the weapon.

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Square Enix has never, at any point, supported cheating directly.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

You cheaters are the reason we will be under surveillance, and for what? Because you didn't want to achieve things without cheating in a video game. That is why we will be brought under surveillance. Because you can't help from CHEATING IN A VIDEO GAME.

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I - along with most people who know how to play the game - am not a cheater, and the playerbase is not going to be brought under any more surveillance than we already are. Your insistence on accusing anyone performing with some level of competency of "cheating" speaks more about yourself than the rest of the community.

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Originally Posted by Rhael

I've been playing since ARR. What's your point?


oh boy here we go...
You don't know how bad the addon problem is because you're clearly overestimating their proliferation and catastrophizing. It's not nearly as bad as you seem to want to believe it is.
This isn't a game of "sanctioned cheaters."
You're not going to find any plugins or addons or third party tools etc etc on the darkweb lmao. None of them are hiding or difficult to find or inaccessible.


Square Enix has never, at any point, supported cheating directly.


I - along with most people who know how to play the game - am not a cheater, and we're not going to be brought under any more surveillance than we already are.

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I'm sure everything you say is honest and true, coming from the perspective of someone who is defending addons in an anti-addon thread. You'll have to excuse me for being incapable of believing what you say. You don't even view ACT as a cheat or a performance enhancement probably. Of course you don't view yourself as a cheat.

Let's be clear too, I only accused people of cheating when they said savage content was impossible to clear without addons after finding out that they have savage clears done. Of course they are using addons if that statement is happening. Of course they are cheating. Everyone I've accused might as well be banned.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

Self-righteousness = fair play. You are irredeemable and I hope god judges you harshly.

Also, imagine caring about being good at this game. You are truly a joke among men.

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What a massive hypocrite you are.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

Maybe you should spend less time defending cheating and more time getting good at the game. Sounds like a personal problem.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

Because of the state of addons being normalized, I am not going to fit in in that scene. For what reason? Because you're bad at mechanics and can't do things without cheating.

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Don't worry, people definitely are not using 3rd party addons to cheat or get an advantage over other players. Just don't look behind the curtain and check if they're telling the truth or not.

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Originally Posted by Kazhar

What a massive hypocrite you are.

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Are you gonna cry because I pointed out that your performance matters since you're cheating and mine doesn't since I'm not?

Just ignore him, honestly.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

I'm sure everything you say is honest and true, coming from the perspective of someone who is defending addons in an anti-addon thread. You'll have to excuse me for being incapable of believing what you say. You don't even view ACT as a cheat or a performance enhancement probably. Of course you don't view yourself as a cheat.

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At no point have I defended addons. I have simply pointed out the flaws in your replies.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

Are you gonna cry because I pointed out that your performance matters since you're cheating and mine doesn't since I'm not?

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I hate to break it to you, but your performance still matters regardless of whether or not you are doing anything that you seem to want to label as cheating. You still directly affect the rest of your group with how well you perform.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

Let's be clear too, I only accused people of cheating when they said savage content was impossible to clear without addons after finding out that they have savage clears done.

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hahahahaha who was even saying this? They had to have been joking, right? You sure they weren't just messing with you?

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

Just ignore him, honestly.

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You don't need to verify anything. Square enix will once they install anti-cheat and disable you.

Until they fix this issue, they are not getting my sub money. Since I won't play the game without an anti-cheat, I think that makes my position pretty clear. WoW has had Warden since 2005, there's no excuse for square to enable cheating unless they wanted it to happen this way. I don't wanna play a game designed for cheaters, I want to play FFXIV, but not like this.

@Rhael lol, if you think anyone's performance matters in a video game you should go outside and breathe some fresh air. Get out of your cave, touch grass. Stop being a deject. It matters if someone is cheating, only because it is against fair play. Anything else? Why would you care about the way someone can push buttons on their keyboard? Sounds like you've never got good at anything meaningful in life. Sounds like you also expect to get carried instead of being the hero that carries.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

they are not getting my sub money.

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And the down side to this is...?

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

You don't need to verify anything. Square enix will once they install anti-cheat and disable you.

Until they fix this issue, they are not getting my sub money. Since I won't play the game without an anti-cheat, I think that makes my position pretty clear.

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Cool. Keep your money, to be fair. Save it up, the economy is kind of down lately in the real world and who knows if you want to do something productive in the future.

Honestly, it sounds like a pretty nice investment. Save up your money, don't waste it on stuff you don't agree with, yeah?

It's a shame Square Enix can't cater to you alone, but alas, it might be for the best.

And if you don't want to keep the money for something that might help you irl in the future, save it for a company you deem worth it and actively hunts after cheaters.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

Cool. Keep your money, to be fair. Save it up, the economy is kind of down lately in the real world and who knows if you want to do something productive in the future.

Honestly, it sounds like a pretty nice investment. Save up your money, don't waste it on stuff you don't agree with, yeah?

It's a shame Square Enix can't cater to you alone, but alas, it might be for the best.

And if you don't want to keep the money for something that might help you irl in the future, save it for a company you deem worth it and actively hunts after cheaters.

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What are you blabbering about now? Isn't it funny how we both treat each other the same way, only I am upfront about it and you're a snake about it?

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

Cool. Keep your money, to be fair. Save it up, the economy is kind of down lately in the real world and who knows if you want to do something productive in the future.

Honestly, it sounds like a pretty nice investment. Save up your money, don't waste it on stuff you don't agree with, yeah?

It's a shame Square Enix can't cater to you alone, but alas, it might be for the best.

And if you don't want to keep the money for something that might help you irl in the future, save it for a company you deem worth it and actively hunts after cheaters.

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Normally I'm not a "don't let the door hit you on the way out" kind of guy, but man...this person brought it out of me.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

Normally I'm not a "don't let the door hit you on the way out" kind of guy, but man...this person brought it out of me.

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I'm in no hurry this dialogue is ripe and fresh.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

Just ignore him, honestly.

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I agree this is the most reasonable course of action, but this guy seems to have some serious issues. I get being passionate about things you want for the game, but he takes his black and white crusade against third party tools to such extremist lengths I wonder how you even get there. He's strawmaning the arguments of everyone he speaks to, throw absolutely baseless accusations and insult for no reason at people he barely interacted with. He writes long self-destructive rants that are just sad to watch. Just why?

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Originally Posted by Kazhar

I agree this is the most reasonable course of action, but this guy seems to have some serious issues. I get being passionate about things you want for the game, but he takes his black and white crusade against third party tools to such extremist lengths I wonder how you even get there. He's strawmaning the arguments of everyone he speaks to, throw absolutely baseless accusations and insult for no reason at people he barely interacted with. He writes long self-destructive rants that are just sad to watch. Just why?

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Listen to xeno talk about how cheating is just normal when you are playing to win. Listen to the way people are talking about cheating in this very thread. I want to play the game, I probably love FFXIV more than you and everyone else defending cheating in this game. You people "play to parse". If not for parsing, you'd be uninterested. Get a hobby. I want mine back. "Self-destructive" you have no clue what that word means if you think it is relevant in this context.

I am being destructive sure, but not of my self.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

WoW has had Warden since 2005

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And WoW has had the Recount addon for nearly as long, which is basically just ACT. Does that make Recount cheating because it's similar to ACT, or is recount not cheating because an anti-cheat system does not punish it? By extension, do you or do you not consider parsing cheating? You're flashing back and forth between different ends of your black and white thinking so fast that your posts should be tagged with an epilepsy warning.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

What are you blabbering about now? Isn't it funny how we both treat each other the same way, only I am upfront about it and you're a snake about it?

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I'm sorry that you feel that I'm a snake. I was only expressing concern for your well-being, Hikaru. Someone ought to. So far you've been spat poison, so I just wanted to validate your concerns. If anything, I agree: you have money to save, save it up, it's a good thing. If that makes me a snake, well... then... *slither slither here I go*

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

Normally I'm not a "don't let the door hit you on the way out" kind of guy, but man...this person brought it out of me.

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I don't know what you're referring to Vahlnir O:

I've seen such hot takes spat around by everyone... Honestly, it overall is not worth being so heated up over such a trivial topic. It's not worth being so heated up if someone has made up their mind to leave! So much conversation... yet people, myself included, failed to assure him of the integrity of the game and have him remain :(

But you know what? o: If it truly bothers someone to the point of saving up their money in such a harsh economy, then I welcome it! I support it ^^

After all, more money, more... something ._. idk, it escaped me there.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

Listen to xeno talk about how cheating is just normal when you are playing to win. Listen to the way people are talking about cheating in this very thread. I want to play the game, I probably love FFXIV more than you and everyone else defending cheating in this game. You people "play to parse". If not for parsing, you'd be uninterested. Get a hobby. I want mine back.

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Again with the random strawman. When did I ever talk about how I play? I think the most I've ever said in this thread is that I think the numbers feedback provided by dps meters is at its most useful when you're learning. (and that being able to clear enrages doesn't mean you're not underperforming)
Maybe Midare was right and you truly think all Hrothgar players are the same person.

I for one would like to see it happen far too long folks cheating has enriched the cheaters at the cost of the other player's enjoyment, there is even a cheat for the personal island...the casual of casual content...goes to show the majority of people crying for it not to happen usually have something to hide...and the folks who dont cheat are waiting for it to happen...and no the game will not die if they do it the cheaters will leave and the real player base will be able to show how it's done. The only folks who are crying the game will die if an anticheat is put in are those who exploited the system for far too long and there day of reckoning is gonna happen. I for one will point, mock and laugh when that day happens...

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Originally Posted by Rhael

Then why did you bring up a set of standards that does not even apply to FFXIV?



Yeah I get that a lot.

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I don't know what you're talking about? You're the one who brought up recount. Get some help, you people clearly need cactbot for real life too.

Ran out of posts for the day. Of course you can't compare an anticheat to one that doesn't exist. WoW is a legit experience, this is one for pretenders who LARP as ultimate raiders while they cheat.

@Oldschoolegamer38 I am extremely against addons, I would prefer for them to be completely removed from WoW. I brought up warden because it is a client based scan system that only scans the game itself. Know your enemy. The people you are siding with are supportive of addons, I am against addons.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

I don't know what you're talking about? You're the one who brought up recount.

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You brought up WoW's anticheat measures and I simply pointed out that they can't be compared to FFXIV.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

Get some help, you people clearly need cactbot for real life too.

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Aww, are you running out of material? Ad hominem retorts are all you've got left?

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

Ran out of posts for the day.

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Oh I guessed correctly. Neat.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

WoW is a legit experience

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Then... go play WoW or something? idk

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

I'm sorry that you feel that I'm a snake. I was only expressing concern for your well-being, Hikaru. Someone ought to. So far you've been spat poison, so I just wanted to validate your concerns. If anything, I agree: you have money to save, save it up, it's a good thing. If that makes me a snake, well... then... *slither slither here I go*



I don't know what you're referring to Vahlnir O:

I've seen such hot takes spat around by everyone... Honestly, it overall is not worth being so heated up over such a trivial topic. It's not worth being so heated up if someone has made up their mind to leave! So much conversation... yet people, myself included, failed to assure him of the integrity of the game and have him remain :(

But you know what? o: If it truly bothers someone to the point of saving up their money in such a harsh economy, then I welcome it! I support it ^^

After all, more money, more... something ._. idk, it escaped me there.

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Oh, I was talking about Hikari, not you. Sorry if there was some confusion. My brain is also fried from WoW LFR, so maybe I'm misunderstanding. lol

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Originally Posted by Rhael

Then why did you bring up a set of standards that does not even apply to FFXIV?



Yeah I get that a lot.

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Because they want FFxiv to be like WoW and ruin this game the way they ruined WoW for everyone except for raiders...

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Originally Posted by Rhael

You brought up WoW's anticheat measures and I simply pointed out that they can't be compared to FFXIV.



Aww, are you running out of material? Ad hominem retorts are all you've got left?

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nah your over the target and that person knows it, that is why they are telling you to get help..

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Originally Posted by Oldschoolegamer38

nah your over the target and that person knows it, that is why they are telling you to get help..

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I was having fun though :(

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Originally Posted by Rhael

I was having fun though :(

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I am too but they are doing this on yt and other platforms as well to try to sweep it under the rug ...they are supporting cheating while not openly saying it themselves..and it looks like they are doing the same thing here.

wow, the word games you folks play here in support of 3rd party tools while not trying to say it openly yourself...It doesn't take a genus to see the games your playing with the devs but with the entire community so stop the game kids we can see right through them..

Heh 69 pages

normally there would be a limit to this but I guess the mods are allowing folks to shoot there shots as alot of folks are mad by how the cheaters are forcing the game in a direction they don't want it to go. Once again cheaters are forcing an issue they know they cannot win and will force the rest of the community to get angry at them then the cheaters will cry victim because of the opposition to what they are trying to do, these morrons have not learned anything from ther last time cheaters got exposed during DSR...

and that was from a former raid group I was in I was told to have those codes put in. I never used it myself so ha means nothing..

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Originally Posted by Nyxs

Heh 69 pages

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Originally Posted by Oldschoolegamer38

Excuse me just because i have those in my profile doesn't mean i use them I never had ACT and I will continue to not use it so pound sand HA HA

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Really takes you three posts to panic about being called out, huh?

Besides, your big "gotcha" moment isn't really much of one since I'm not going on an insane crusade against mods, sooo.

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Originally Posted by Zebraoracle

Really takes you three posts to panic about being called out, huh?

Besides, your big "gotcha" moment isn't really much of one since I'm not going on an insane crusade against mods, sooo.

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I have one word for you LAWSUIT! done playing games, keep pushing me and you will find out when you F around with the wrong person.

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Originally Posted by Zebraoracle

Really takes you three posts to panic about being called out, huh?

Besides, your big "gotcha" moment isn't really much of one since I'm not going on an insane crusade against mods, sooo.

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Keep talking because I will have you in a courtroom real fast...with everything you just said and in other threads and on this and other platforms will have you in a nifty pickle...Also, can you prove I have ACT as well??? If not slander/Libel is very easy to show in court with your statements...

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Originally Posted by Zebraoracle

Really takes you three posts to panic about being called out, huh?

Besides, your big "gotcha" moment isn't really much of one since I'm not going on an insane crusade against mods, sooo.

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Might as well let the troll starve without further interactions...

Mmmm.. Litigation threats. Funny thing, those are illegal in some countries.

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Originally Posted by Raikai

Might as well let the troll starve without further interactions...

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Yeah I'm done talking with this child, I stated it before but it was really funny calling out his hypocrisy. I'm just curious what other platforms I've apparently been on talking about mods LOL

So... how long before someone with too much free time and some programming knowledge decides to go on a "holy crusade" against 3rd party tools and starts making viruses and malware that specifically target and screw with said tools?

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

What are you people afraid of square enix finding on your computers? PDF?
In all honesty though, it is really weird how one extremely vocal and toxic minority of the community is holding the entire game hostage by saying they will quit if square enix enforces their ToS that you are legally bound to following.

I think that all the damages caused to rule followers should result in compensation. Like, why is my experience ruined by rule breakers? I am following the rules because they are what they are. Why am I made to cancel my sub because people are bullying square by saying they will quit if cheats are disabled?

They are losing subs either way, they should side with those who want to play the game for what it is, rather than those who complain about what is and change the coding of the game to suit their personal ideals/cheats.

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The toxic minority are people like you. Try again