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Originally Posted by Dragon

Even with 2 brds, a 6-man party never got anywhere beyond 40k/hr exp. Sucker. Actually, if either floor was already full, you weren't going to get more than 30k/hr, which is why I prefer the half-hour anyways. Besides, when I did go full party, I went somewhere else for better EXP. Only an idiot took a full party to Nyzul.



Aw, you're showing your jealousy again. For the Thalassocrat/Mezraq user, Penta Thrust was best in parties, Skewer was better for solo, and Wheeling Thrust was better for endgame (though arguable). Drakesbane was definitely better for all 3, if you could obtain it.

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Explain why the Thalassocrat/Mezraq made Penta the best WS. And no, I know down in Georgia you think everyone is jealous but no, I'm just disappointed in you.

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Originally Posted by Ingolf

Explain why the Thalassocrat/Mezraq made Penta the best WS. And no, I know down in Georgia you think everyone is jealous but no, I'm just disappointed in you.

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Explain where I said Penta was the best WS first because I was very specific for the Thalassocrat/Mezraq user, AKA those that don't have relic/mythic.

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Originally Posted by Dragon

Explain where I said Penta was the best WS first because I was very specific for the Thalassocrat/Mezraq user, AKA those that don't have relic/mythic.

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I asked you the reason why having the Thallasocrat or Mezraq made Penta the best weapon skill in parties. As you said:

"For the Thalassocrat/Mezraq user, Penta Thrust was best in parties"

Explain why.

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Originally Posted by Ingolf

Then you never helped and you were that unique snowflake everyone hates. How does it feel knowing that the rest of your linkshell carried you through. PUP was one of the most useless jobs in almost every event in XI, and in no way balanced.

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You forgot that instead of fixing PUP's longevity issues and DPS spread when using the caster automaton, the devs allowed roundabouts to game mechanics like ADA to exist.

*puts on Scholar's Mortarboard* For those of you who don't know what ADA is, it stands for Activate, Dismiss, Activate. People who used caster automatons would activate their automaton, have it cast a spell, then dismiss it and use activate again to summon the 'maton, provided the automaton's HP was 100%. What this did is get around the internal cooldown the automaton had for casting spells, and if I'm not mistaken, it also reset the amount of MP the automaton had every time it was resummoned. You could technically get it to cast spells back to back using that method.

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Originally Posted by Jokerz

PUP was one of the jobs where you needed the correct attachments as well as someone who knew how to properly utilize them to be particularly proficient with it, that is the reason behind the stereotypes about the job. I've seen what exceptional PUP's can do.

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The only high parses I've ever seen of PUPs involved ADA. See my above point.

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Originally Posted by Dragon

Just keep showing your filthy arrogance. DDing in FFXI wasn't just about spike damage (parses proved as much)

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After years of the job being treated like garbage post-penta nerf. One does not undo the other. There's a reason the "Ryuu-san the DRG has been waiting for 6 hours for a party invite" joke came about.

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and DRG wasn't about only DPS either. But then again, no other job even came close to the healing efficiency a DRG could put out (6mp for 600~800hp at any moment in time, and 6mp for 1200~1400hp healed every couple minutes), and while still being able to outparse most DPS.

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I'll disagree with you here. DRG in order to get access to healing breaths (lol) required them subbing WHM, RDM, BLM, BLU or SCH, which more likely than not you were not going to sub for events. You were coming /WAR for double attack and berserk, or /SAM for meditate and the ability to solo a lv3 skillchain (I'll concede that you also needed Spirit Surge).

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Originally Posted by Ingolf

I asked you the reason why having the Thallasocrat or Mezraq made Penta the best weapon skill in parties. As you said:

"For the Thalassocrat/Mezraq user, Penta Thrust was best in parties"

Explain why.

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Because if you're using a Thalassocrat/Mezraq, you don't have the relic/mythic, meaning you don't have their weaponskills, which means, at least in pre-abyssea, you're limited to Penta Thrust, Wheeling Thrust, or Skewer for a decent weapon skill as a polearm user. It's not rocket science.

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Originally Posted by Duelle

I'll disagree with you here. DRG in order to get access to healing breaths (lol) required them subbing WHM, RDM, BLM, BLU or SCH, which more likely than not you were not going to sub for events. You were coming /WAR for double attack and berserk, or /SAM for meditate and the ability to solo a lv3 skillchain (I'll concede that you also needed Spirit Surge).

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I came with whatever subjob I wanted, and I was even asked periodically to come /mage. Nice try though.

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Originally Posted by Dragon

Because if you're using a Thalassocrat/Mezraq, you don't have the relic/mythic, meaning you don't have their weaponskills, which means, at least in pre-abyssea, you're limited to Penta Thrust, Wheeling Thrust, or Skewer for a decent weapon skill as a polearm user. It's not rocket science.

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Are you implying that you need a mythic to get drakesbane?

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Unlocking_a_Myth

http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/up...ven-harder.jpg

Did you even play FFXI?

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Originally Posted by Dragon

Oh thank you. :D *bows*



It is sad how true that is, though thankfully it was normally the awful players that just jumped bandwagon. I personally had temporarily retired my DRG by the time I got it to 56 because I couldn't afford to gear it up for a while (which was when ToAU came out, and though seen as a bad idea considering the pink birds, I never regretted it because I knew I would have been leeching off other players which I never approved of) and took the time to further level my other jobs (and it wasn't until several months later when I got WHM to 75 that I had enough gear to properly level my DRG).

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That was my DRK(Elvaan to boot) when I started ~55/60 I had to put it away, stupid mil+ gears hanging over my head stopping me from continuing effectively. I went THF next and learned and tried to teach SATA tactics to people cause let's face it, like SC >>> MB went the way of the dodo so did decent SATAing. I also quit for 2 years around ToAU to pursue some other interests and when I came back I almost cried, level sync made me smile til a 65 was in qufim leveling and it occured to me that it was gimping peoples skills and knowledge of thier jobs if they were really leveling like that all the way to 75 ... Then abyssea happened and I thought I maybe needed to quit.

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Originally Posted by Ingolf

Are you implying that you need a mythic to get drakesbane?

http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/up...ven-harder.jpg

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No, but getting the Drakesbane, as with any Mythic WS, wasn't just something you'd get like a normal WS. On the other hand, I did say specifically, "Drakesbane was definitely better for all 3, if you could obtain it."

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Originally Posted by Dragon

No, but getting the Drakesbane, as with any Mythic WS, wasn't just something you'd get like a normal WS. On the other hand, I did say specifically, "Drakesbane was definitely better for all 3, if you could obtain it."

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But you said you needed a mythic weapon to get it. Don't backtrack my dear friend.
http://i46.tinypic.com/2ihp08j.jpg

How were you (as in the masses, not you specifically) stuck with only penta for most situations? Unless you didn't unlock it (which doesn't surprise me at this point). How do you not know about that questline. Maybe you should browse more sources.

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Originally Posted by Enfarious

That was my DRK(Elvaan to boot) when I started ~55/60 I had to put it away, stupid mil+ gears hanging over my head stopping me from continuing effectively. I went THF next and learned and tried to teach SATA tactics to people cause let's face it, like SC >>> MB went the way of the dodo so did decent SATAing. I also quit for 2 years around ToAU to pursue some other interests and when I came back I almost cried, level sync made me smile til a 65 was in qufim leveling and it occured to me that it was gimping peoples skills and knowledge of thier jobs if they were really leveling like that all the way to 75 ... Then abyssea happened and I thought I maybe needed to quit.

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Heh, the funny thing is some of a few members of the DRG-only linkshell I was in thought I was bandwagon-hopping. Well these same members had quit DRG when the wyvern got its own emote animations, and they just went hopping bandwagons themselves. Meanwhile, I eventually got my DRG to 75, better geared than all but 2-3 of them. Funny thing, I was also the one that made it the largest DRG-only shell of any server, and my leaving it is what caused it to break up. XD

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Originally Posted by Ingolf

But you said you needed a mythic weapon to get it. Don't backtrack my dear friend.
http://i46.tinypic.com/2ihp08j.jpg

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Granted, I misspoke, but I haven't backtracked.

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How were you (as in the masses, not you specifically) stuck with only penta for most situations? Unless you didn't unlock it (which doesn't surprise me at this point). How do you not know about that questline. Maybe you should browse more sources.

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Every DRG knew about Drakesbane, it was definitely heralded as the best thing to happen for DRGs since the 2hd update, and no one didn't know about the questline. Point is though it was never something simple to obtain.

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Originally Posted by Dragon

Granted, I misspoke, but I haven't backtracked.



Every DRG knew about Drakesbane, it was definitely heralded as the best thing to happen for DRGs since the 2hd update, and no one didn't know about the questline. Point is though it was never something simple to obtain.

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You didn't misspeak, you clearly said that without the mythic or relic there was no way to get the weapon skill. You even went far enough to say that "It wasn't rocket science". And yes, it was pretty simple to get. If you spent that much time making a cure breath set, then you should have spent the time unlocking the weapon skill. If you weren't skilled enough to get to floor 100, then it was still do-able. If you cared about the job as much as you imply, you would have had it.

Also:

http://i50.tinypic.com/oa0ldg.jpg

gg

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Originally Posted by Ingolf

You didn't misspeak, you clearly said that without the mythic or relic there was no way to get the weapon skill. You even went far enough to say that "It wasn't rocket science". And yes, it was pretty simple to get. If you spent that much time making a cure breath set, then you should have spent the time unlocking the weapon skill. If you weren't skilled enough to get to floor 100, then it was still do-able. If you cared about the job as much as you imply, you would have had it.

Also:

http://i50.tinypic.com/oa0ldg.jpg

gg

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You really are good at blowing things out of proportion and taking what people say out of context too. Are you a politician by any chance?

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Originally Posted by Dragon

You really are good at blowing things out of proportion and taking what people say out of context too. Are you a politician by any chance?

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Yes actually. Either way you're using a red herring argument. My professional life has nothing to do with your lack of understanding in XI.

So why isn't this thread locked yet?

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Originally Posted by Masamune1004

So why isn't this thread locked yet?

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Well if enough people reported it... ;)

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Originally Posted by Ingolf

-Everything from the last 7ish pages-

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lol

/10char

Drakesbane was obviously GDLK, so what?
What does that change about either person's argument?

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Originally Posted by Charismatic

Drakesbane was obviously GDLK, so what?
What does that change about either person's argument?

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More importantly, what does any of this have to do with jumping?

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Originally Posted by Charismatic

Drakesbane was obviously GDLK, so what?
What does that change about either person's argument?

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Well it being godlike would support my position since like I said time and time again, the stuff I did do I managed to do with decent gear at best. I never had by far anything close to THE best endgame gear for DRG.

In other news, why aren't we talking cheesecake??? I WANT MAI CHEESECAKE, MAMA!!!

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Originally Posted by Charismatic

Drakesbane was obviously GDLK, so what?
What does that change about either person's argument?

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They thought it was mythic weapon only. It was funny to me.

A story of intrigue...

Mystery...

A story with no end...

This summer...

Witness the HORROR of....

The Thread That Cannot Die!

In theatres near you, today.

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Originally Posted by Masamune1004

More importantly, what does any of this have to do with jumping?

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Aside from DRG being able to jump? Nothing!

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Originally Posted by LlenCoram

A story of intrigue...

Mystery...

A story with no end...

This summer...

Witness the HORROR of....

The Thread That Cannot Die!

In theatres near you, today.

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Are they gonna be doing it in 3D too, hopefully in iMax that'd be ossum possum

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Originally Posted by LlenCoram

A story of intrigue...

Mystery...

A story with no end...

This summer...

Witness the HORROR of....

The Thread That Cannot Die!

In theatres near you, today.

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Lol.

I'll admit this thread would've died if the people not liking it never responded.

Damn you and your wiles Ingolf!

You shall NOT be taking the 'grumpiest bastard on the forum' title from me!

It requires more then some petty name calling and "NU UH UR WRONG' endless trifling to get that trophy off my mantle. I have a goal and a whole legion of people who bitterly oppose me every step of the way. You have accomplished nothing more then some trolling. I have Manifest Destiny and the entire weight of the Galka race settled firmly on my shoulders. You only wish you had something as noble to fight for.


NOW

To reel this thread in a bit. Can we all at least agree for making jumping an effort which your character puts their whole body into the motion instead of going from an unbend stance to Jordan mode?

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Originally Posted by Zaaku

Damn you and your wiles Ingolf!

You shall NOT be taking the 'grumpiest bastard on the forum' title from me!

It requires more then some petty name calling and "NU UH UR WRONG' endless trifling to get that trophy off my mantle. I have a goal and a whole legion of people who bitterly oppose me every step of the way. You have accomplished nothing more then some trolling. I have Manifest Destiny and the entire weight of the Galka race settled firmly on my shoulders. You only wish you had something as noble to fight for.

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Ok, I'm going to stay out of this... *holds my tail and runs away quickly*

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NOW

To reel this thread in a bit. Can we all at least agree for making jumping an effort which your character puts their whole body into the motion instead of going from an unbend stance to Jordan mode?

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I agree. For sure.

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Originally Posted by Zaaku

And yes, you are using the phrase wrong. 'Rose tinted glasses" and "Nostalgia goggles" infer that I am looking at FFXI and seeing a perfection of form without flaws. Which is quite untrue. I know what I ask for makes the game more difficult, increases time commitment, and puts more pressure on me as a player. I *like* those hardships because they bring out a higher quality community and experience.

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I don't know what "Nostalgia google" have to do with "Rose tinted glasses".
You miss your tail, the tail is past. I call this nostalgic feelings.

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Originally Posted by Felis

I don't know what "Nostalgia google" have to do with "Rose tinted glasses".
You miss your tail, the tail is past. I call this nostalgic feelings.

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Still that is not quite right. Both those phrases are used to describe someone who is fixated on something from long ago and they hold onto that memory and only remember it in the best light. Being aware of something in the past, knowing of its faults and admitting there were problems, yet still liking the original concept despite the short comings. That is just someone who has weighted the thought and found its benefits were more attractive then its cons repelled.

Besides, the Mithra-line got to keep their tails. I would hardly say they are "in the past" when they are right here with us now. It is simply a matter of getting everyone who deserves it placed right back where it belongs.

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Originally Posted by Zaaku

NOW

To reel this thread in a bit. Can we all at least agree for making jumping an effort which your character puts their whole body into the motion instead of going from an unbend stance to Jordan mode?

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This is SE if there is one thing they do wonderfully its animations, I doubt they are gonna half ass do it.

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Originally Posted by Zaaku

Besides, the Mithra-line got to keep their tails. I would hardly say they are "in the past" when they are right here with us now. It is simply a matter of getting everyone who deserves it placed right back where it belongs.

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This is not a big miracle. Show me one felide race with no tail ^^
On the other site, big men don't have always a tail.

And Roegadyns aren't Galkas, like Miqo'te aren't Mithras (Mithras have fur (or it look like they have fur), Miqo'te not).
Roegadyns loves the sea and hot vulcans, they have 2 genders and the females think with the head whereas the males think with the muscles.

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Originally Posted by Zaaku

Damn you and your wiles Ingolf!

You shall NOT be taking the 'grumpiest bastard on the forum' title from me!

It requires more then some petty name calling and "NU UH UR WRONG' endless trifling to get that trophy off my mantle. I have a goal and a whole legion of people who bitterly oppose me every step of the way. You have accomplished nothing more then some trolling. I have Manifest Destiny and the entire weight of the Galka race settled firmly on my shoulders. You only wish you had something as noble to fight for.


NOW

To reel this thread in a bit. Can we all at least agree for making jumping an effort which your character puts their whole body into the motion instead of going from an unbend stance to Jordan mode?

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I don't know what you're going on about, but you're still bad.

I'm not grumpy, I'm just always right.

If you 3 don't stop I will turn this thread around!

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Originally Posted by Gramul

If you 3 don't stop I will turn this thread around!

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How much more turned around can it get?

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Originally Posted by Gramul

If you 3 don't stop I will turn this thread around!

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FINE! TURN IT AROUND! SEE IF I CARE! I NEVER WANTED TO GO TO DISNEY TO BEGIN WITH!

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Originally Posted by Jokerz

How much more turned around can it get?

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My plan is to get it to turn around so much that it causes the forum to implode in on itself. All that will be left is a black hole with a picture of Tanaka in the middle of it.

http://i48.tinypic.com/2ui7pg9.jpg

Oh god "barance" XD

...I'm officially scared now.

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Originally Posted by Krausus

This is SE if there is one thing they do wonderfully its animations, I doubt they are gonna half ass do it.

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Not to be confrontational, but this is just completely wrong.

1. Job Switch Animations (aside from the bard one) look like they have nothing to do with their respective jobs. It's like the bard team used up 90% of the budget given to the job switch animation team.

2. Not to mention that bard somehow is playing music without even picking up an instrument.

3. I've seen many people complaining that spellcasting is boring and cartoonish, though it has developed a little over time.

Don't get me wrong, I'm certain some of the animation issues will be greatly improved come 2.0, but I believe "half-assed" is the exact word used to describe a lot of the in-game animations right now.

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Originally Posted by Ingolf

My plan is to get it to turn around so much that it causes the forum to implode in on itself. All that will be left is a black hole with a picture of Tanaka in the middle of it.

http://i48.tinypic.com/2ui7pg9.jpg

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I was about to pop in here to say, what the hell are you guys talking about in here? But then you brought this into the world, and now this thread is complete.