The Lessons Not Learned.

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Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44

I love how when people actively try to bait Aveyond they get nothing, but when Aveyond makes a thread, we get to watch the whole circus congregate to put on a show for us.

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Hey, the longer he stays subbed, the more money XIV gets. So giving his threads visibility just helps fund the game.

I'm just doing my part since I don't buy Mogstation mounts.

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Originally Posted by Absimiliard

I will never understand why some people react to criticism of this game like you shot their dog. I'd say it doesn't matter if those grievances are legitimate, but that statement would be in error - the reactions are even worse if you've made a good point.

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But isn't that how many reactions are on this site? Even if your reaction doesn't come off as someone shot your dog someone else will react like you did. Which of course makes you ask said person why they're acting like you shot the person you're reacting to dog.

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Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44

I love how when people actively try to bait Aveyond they get nothing, but when Aveyond makes a thread, we get to watch the whole circus congregate to put on a show for us.

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At this point Aveyond is background dressing. People are clowning on Stormpeaks now.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

...wait... Wait??

So Stormpeaks is Deveryn's Nhaama??

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So is Aneshda my Nhaama? I mean she DOES hate me and she thinks I'm a pervert which...I mean she's not wrong.

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Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44

I love how when people actively try to bait Aveyond they get nothing, but when Aveyond makes a thread, we get to watch the whole circus congregate to put on a show for us.

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It's honestly pretty funny, ngl. Like someone said before: Aveyond has a lot of power over people on these forums.

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Originally Posted by kpxmanifesto

It's honestly pretty funny, ngl. Like someone said before: Aveyond has a lot of power over people on these forums.

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What people? The same five or six users who actually contribute nothing while the ones trying to start legitimate discussion are instantly labelled as white knights despite them criticizing the game too?

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Originally Posted by kpxmanifesto

It's honestly pretty funny, ngl. Like someone said before: Aveyond has a lot of power over people on these forums.

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Over more people than you think, considering there's always someone saying your piece in each of these posts.

I'm still trying to get over how there's 61 pages to this thread and the original topic got ran over ten miles ago. Impressive everyone.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

I'm still trying to get over how there's 61 pages to this thread and the original topic got ran over ten miles ago. Impressive everyone.

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61 pages? You didn't set max posts to 50? I only see 16 lol.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

61 pages? You didn't set max posts to 50? I only see 16 lol.

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I prefer larger amounts of chaos in my life.
Also it's just funny to see.

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Originally Posted by kpxmanifesto

It's honestly pretty funny, ngl. Like someone said before: Aveyond has a lot of power over people on these forums.

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You guys do realize that you're always part of the circus too with your responses, right? Again, stones and glass houses. Don't be throwing them.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

I prefer larger amounts of chaos in my life.
Also it's just funny to see.

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That's a mood and I'm all for it. It's like reality TV. Sometimes watching a dumpster fire is fun.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

I'm still trying to get over how there's 61 pages to this thread and the original topic got ran over ten miles ago. Impressive everyone.

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Yep, 74 upvotes for aveyond's initial post. The absolute irony of players trying to silence criticism which actually resulted in more publicity for this post really makes me laugh. It just really went sideways for them.

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Originally Posted by Renalt

That's a mood and I'm all for it. It's like reality TV. Sometimes watching a dumpster fire is fun.

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This is fine.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

Thanks for the chuckle I really needed that, if you think you have any sort of power or that I care about you, you are very wrong, but what I said is pretty much spot on.

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He's being delusional, ignoring him is the best way to do. Sometimes people are just to far gone that no amount of help can help them.

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Originally Posted by vanaii

I know hai means yes

I don't know no

I know when written, no is longer than yes

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iie.
one letter? longer.

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Originally Posted by RukoBoshi

Love does bloom on a battlefield !

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well.... corpses ARE good fertilizer.

The OP ain't wrong though. This "new" content is already doomed to die in a few weeks, unless they add more rewards to the shop. Same thing happened to Bozja content, DR runs are pretty much dead, if you're lucky you'll see a half-filled PF group which tries to group up for hours and hours. Just as the Baldesion Arsenal, which is run only by a few dedicated discords. Many players (esp. new players) do not have access to these.

FFXIV devs produce content, great content, but lack a lot of creativity to either "reuse" old content (without being a numb grind, aka SHB relics) or create lasting content. If an earring can rank up it's ilvl with your own level, then I'm sure a grindy relic can do the same across many patches. We don't really need more glamour relics. People that don't raid or do extremes need a proper weapon.

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Originally Posted by xbahax92

The OP ain't wrong though. This "new" content is already doomed to die in a few weeks, unless they add more rewards to the shop. Same thing happened to Bozja content, DR runs are pretty much dead, if you're lucky you'll see a half-filled PF group which tries to group up for hours and hours. Just as the Baldesion Arsenal, which is run only by a few dedicated discords. Many players (esp. new players) do not have access to these.

FFXIV devs produce content, great content, but lack a lot of creativity to either "reuse" old content (without being a numb grind, aka SHB relics) or create lasting content. If an earring can rank up it's ilvl with your own level, then I'm sure a grindy relic can do the same across many patches. We don't really need more glamour relics. People that don't raid or do extremes need a proper weapon.

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You couldnt be anymore wrong with Bozja and DR. Sure you cant rely on DF anymore for DR queuing but there's always and I mean...ALWAYS people needing to run Bozja for prog, character leveling, or farming for glam pieces and with DR being tied to ShB relics and Bozja this is something that you can reliably create a PF for and you'll get people willing to jump in with you. It may take a little while for sure but to call it dead is extremely stupid. I say this because I literally just right now on Coeurl hopped into Bozja wanting to level a job and there's people running around shouting for groups in Zadnor.

When there's unique rewards tied to a piece of content, people will find a way to still do it, and thats's seriously the only problem we have with Variant/Criterion dungeons and I bet the devs are already working on introducing more lasting rewards to have this content be reliable for people to create groups for.

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Originally Posted by kpxmanifesto

Yep, 74 upvotes for aveyond's initial post. The absolute irony of players trying to silence criticism which actually resulted in more publicity for this post really makes me laugh. It just really went sideways for them.

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Zepla gets credit for that. Meanwhile a legit post about Endgame gearing is over 300 on its own.

No one's trying to silence his criticism, but he's not the best person to be sharing it. As a player clearly doing next to nothing, he has zero credibility and he's always saying the same thing over and over and touting himself as an authority on quality and a spokesperson for the playerbase. He won't even respond to legit comments and questions. He's nothing more than a troll.

He lucked out that some people actually agree with some of his points.

-looks below- (see... can't help herself)

hey puddin' :D

"Zepla gets credit for that"
*laughs*

Sunshine I am laughing at you because you act as if Zepla is a representation of anything or as if the likes were because of her, dont flatter your ego too much, Zepla is a clown and all she does is stream herself going on youtube and looking at the forums, if this is a representation of anything we are more than doomed.

Maybe if the content in FF wasnt so boring she would have actual content to stream.

FF is an amazing game for hanging out, for housing, for crafting and for gathering, but anything else is absolutely mediocre.

Also I respond to everyone equally, once again you should stop flattering your ego that much that you think I somehow care about you in any way. You just said some very comical things that I had to respond to because they are laughable.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

You couldnt be anymore wrong with Bozja and DR. Sure you cant rely on DF anymore for DR queuing but there's always and I mean...ALWAYS people needing to run Bozja for prog, character leveling, or farming for glam pieces and with DR being tied to ShB relics and Bozja this is something that you can reliably create a PF for and you'll get people willing to jump in with you. It may take a little while for sure but to call it dead is extremely stupid. I say this because I literally just right now on Coeurl hopped into Bozja wanting to level a job and there's people running around shouting for groups in Zadnor.

When there's unique rewards tied to a piece of content, people will find a way to still do it, and thats's seriously the only problem we have with Variant/Criterion dungeons and I bet the devs are already working on introducing more lasting rewards to have this content be reliable for people to create groups for.

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Oh, I was not talking about the Bozja/Zadnor map itself, but rather the dungeons/raids. Is anybody doing Diadem these days even?

Do people enter old Raids/Dungeons (unrelated to roulettes) again, anyway? Yes and no. Unless you work on your next relic, there is no reason to. You simply don't get any meaningful token or reward, because you got them ALL in your previous runs. It is a dead content in a sense, once people got their desired item, they will not run it again. A few humans on this earth actually need to work as well. Sometimes they cannot just login during peak hours and group up for an existing DR/BA group. It's definetly not as easy and fast to find such groups as it was before. And you cannot tell me that waiting for hours is okay? (including a wipe at the final boss)

Let's also not forget that, content activity shifts very fast after the initial release. This is merely my own opinion, but creating lasting content shouldn't be divided throughout many patches. Once the quest is complete, you have to wait for the next relic quest. This can take up to several months.

This also brings up new questions. Why is the relic quest not run next to a savage tier? Why do casual players have to run with a 615/620 ilvl, meanwhile savage players own several i635 weapons? Why not add short- and long-term rewards, which can be completed with more time investments?

And I experienced it many times. It doesnt matter what content, be it relics, criterion dungeons, Diadem, Eureka, Bozja, Rival Wings, once the "hype" thins out, the content takes way longer to complete.

Sadly I don't expect improvement before FF16 is out. If even then they don't start to do MORE then is over. Content in 6.x got dead as fast as never before.its to easy or got nothing to get from it.

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

-looks below- (see... can't help herself)

hey puddin' :D

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So if the Eternal Bonding ever happens...am I invited?

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Originally Posted by Renalt

So if the Eternal Bonding ever happens...am I invited?

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I have an IRL partner I am very happy with, thank you very much, who also plays FF so I'm married to him in game :)

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

I have an IRL partner I am very happy with, thank you very much, who also plays FF so I'm married to him in game :)

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That's a shame. I could have seen the start of something wonderful.

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Originally Posted by Renalt

That's a shame. I could have seen the start of something wonderful.

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a murder mystery?

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Originally Posted by hagare

a murder mystery?

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No that would be my Eternal Bonding ceremony. Or I at least hope it would be.

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Originally Posted by Renalt

No that would be my Eternal Bonding ceremony. Or I at least hope it would be.

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I wanna be the Flower Girl.

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Originally Posted by hagare

a murder mystery?

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Originally Posted by Renalt

No that would be my Eternal Bonding ceremony. Or I at least hope it would be.

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Can't be both?

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

(...) going on youtube and looking at the forums, if this is a representation of anything we are more than doomed.

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This is my typical playstyle of FFXIV too. :)

And people wonder why get no response from the devs.

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Originally Posted by Payadopa

And people wonder why get no response from the devs.

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40ish more pages of this and maybe we will since someone tends to poke their head out once threads hit the 100+ range of pages.

well time to leave this dumpster fire of a topic not going anywhere fast.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

You couldnt be anymore wrong with Bozja and DR. Sure you cant rely on DF anymore for DR queuing but there's always and I mean...ALWAYS people needing to run Bozja for prog, character leveling, or farming for glam pieces and with DR being tied to ShB relics and Bozja this is something that you can reliably create a PF for and you'll get people willing to jump in with you. It may take a little while for sure but to call it dead is extremely stupid. I say this because I literally just right now on Coeurl hopped into Bozja wanting to level a job and there's people running around shouting for groups in Zadnor.

When there's unique rewards tied to a piece of content, people will find a way to still do it, and thats's seriously the only problem we have with Variant/Criterion dungeons and I bet the devs are already working on introducing more lasting rewards to have this content be reliable for people to create groups for.

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Am on Zodiark, Castrum and Dalriada are pretty active to this day, even if you naturally won't cap the instance anymore (not that you need to to clear them). Delubrum not so much, the queues are actually fairly long.

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Originally Posted by xbahax92

Do people enter old Raids/Dungeons (unrelated to roulettes) again, anyway? Yes and no. Unless you work on your next relic, there is no reason to. You simply don't get any meaningful token or reward, because you got them ALL in your previous runs. It is a dead content in a sense, once people got their desired item, they will not run it again.

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Not all the time, but I do queue for Dun Scaith and the Ivalice Raids on my own. I don't need anything from them, I just really liked those and I wanted to experience them again. Plus, sometimes sprouts complained on NN that the queues for those things were long, so :T idk, maybe I'm helping with numbers?
I just really like Diabolos ok?
.-. and thunder god

Last time I did this was 2 weeks ago, actually. And sometimes I run "older" dungeons for glams. I'm thinking of running Eureka for a bit for the elemental armor, since I only now had an active interest in it, but that'll depend on my mood way too much.

If what you're asking about is stuff like old Savages and stuff... most people just unsynch those anyway, partly because unsynching is faster, and partly because skill synching sucks. I do sometimes see PF people making groups to farm them for glamour and mounts, but I assume most people do it with friends. As for Baldesion Arsenal, I hear there's a discord for runs of it that's still somewhat active.

Like, yeah, there's some notoriously "dead in the water" content, but people do still run it, if anything just because they enjoy it. If you want those areas to remain relevant and such, then you'd need an incentive or a proper model to keep them alive. Worst that can happen is what they did with the Bozja Relics, having you run alliance raids ad nauseam. Or just get the stuff off of FATEs.

I haven't really had any trouble finding active Bozja and Eureka instances on Louisoix, though it does depend on the time of day - and you definitely won't cap the instance. Granted, my Louisoix character is just an alt, so I'm not exactly going in there looking all that often. Could easily be a fluke.

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Originally Posted by Renalt

So if the Eternal Bonding ever happens...am I invited?

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Yes, you and others supporting this are invited. :D

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

I wanna be the Flower Girl.

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Done.

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Originally Posted by hagare

a murder mystery?

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

Can't be both?

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Why not? :)

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Originally Posted by DPZ2

The more correct term of reference would be "Natsuko-sama".

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I want to believe this is trolling, but...

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Originally Posted by DPZ2

The only thing they appear to get wrong is that "Natsuko" is, indeed, the family name. The Producer's family name is "Naoki".

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This is like someone coming along and telling you that Baker, Smith, Gonzalez, Weber, and Chen can only ever be given names, and that Sally, Thomas, and Juan were, in fact, the family names.

It doesn't take much familiarity, with either the name order or common family and given names themselves, to know which is which.

Remember kids, weebdom doesn't mean you know Japanese customs, naming conventions, or their language.

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Originally Posted by Absimiliard

Remember kids, weebdom doesn't mean you know Japanese customs, naming conventions, or their language.

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But I watched all 26 seasons and 720 Episodes of Naruto.
And I played Yakuza.
Clearly I know Japanese.