Titan Extreme is NOT Fun

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Originally Posted by SoulKhan

ima post again, OFC its no fun. Please close this post please

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Nope, Until the day people realize this fight is a mechanical nightmare and isn't challenging, just punishing, this thread shall live on.

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Originally Posted by ZeroRains

Nope, Until the day people realize this fight is a mechanical nightmare and isn't challenging, just punishing, this thread shall live on.

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Well ZeroRains it seems the people here fail under different camps of playstyle and likes. And in all seriousness I am good with that, even if some of them are not ok with what others incline more towards.

What that is not cool, is that this 1 fight is locked majority out of a critical component aka ilvl 90 weapons and accessories. If this locked people out of vanity items, then it would not be such a big deal.

This is made even more apparent because stats of weapons are vastly different then Myth, which is locked out also, and because of all the lockout in near every other end game content. Making Titan a more MUST DO for loot thing then it would be if other content was not locked down. Again, people will disagree. That is good also.

For me, if there was many others things to do, it would not be so bad. But when everything a week is done and doner, I am staring into the abyss of Titan X and you know what they say about staring into abysses....

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Originally Posted by gadenp

Well ZeroRains it seems the people here fail under different camps of playstyle and likes. And in all seriousness I am good with that, even if some of them are not ok with what others incline more towards.

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Couldn't agree more. I can see why some people say they love this fight, that it brings excitement and fast paced movement, while being a fight you cant be carried though. Believe me I get the appeal, I used to do AV and PW in 11. But titan doesn't rely on anything that truly takes time to master, or invite any type of involved strategy. I LIKE how titan is graphically designed, and the mindset with the pillar is a cool one. But its execution seems sloppy and not very thought out.

So yes, I can see the appeal of titan, and can agree to a degree that it shouldn't be a walk in the park (hence the Extreme Name.) But its constant one hit kills, along with connection issues and bad mechanics make it something that is dreaded, not excited for. There's a reason why everyone says Ifrit is easier, by large its actually more difficult than titan if titan had a platform you couldn't be knocked off of.

[I havent beaten this yet. I think the main issue here for me is that its almost impossible to defeat this with random players. So if you aren't in a moderate FC or insanely rich (a guy in my FC paid 1 mill to be carried... I'll never see such wealth), you essentially have no chance of beating it. However this being said, I'm a tank, and from my perspective this fight should be a cinch if you are dps and all you have to do is dodge. HENCE I shall level up a mage alt just to beat this stupid fight.

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Originally Posted by gadenp

What that is not cool, is that this 1 fight is locked majority out of a critical component aka ilvl 90 weapons and accessories. If this locked people out of vanity items, then it would not be such a big deal.

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Critical? No.

You can do everything in the game without 2.1 gear. You can even do the hardest fight in the game without 2.1 gear because it was out long before 2.1. Fancy that.

As for ZeroRains...

You know after doing AV and PW? lol Those two were so much more 'cheap' and required so much less than Titan does.

Yet somehow those two, one designed not to be killed, are better designed than Titan. Yes, this makes complete sense.

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Originally Posted by Mayin

[I havent beaten this yet. I think the main issue here for me is that its almost impossible to defeat this with random players. So if you aren't in a moderate FC or insanely rich (a guy in my FC paid 1 mill to be carried... I'll never see such wealth), you essentially have no chance of beating it. However this being said, I'm a tank, and from my perspective this fight should be a cinch if you are dps and all you have to do is dodge. HENCE I shall level up a mage alt just to beat this stupid fight.

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lol. ull have a higher chance to beat it as a tank.

@Gadenp

Please don't forget you can obtain a ilvl90 weapon quite easily just by capping your mythologies for 2 weeks and ofc having your relic unlocked. In some cases (bard for example) you can't use the elfin bow right of the box anyways not until you can make up for the lack of accuracy on that weapon. (That applies if you want to do T5 with that weapon) So casual people are not locked out of anything. For the most part the primal weapons can be seen as vanity weapons.

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Originally Posted by Hitome

Critical? No.

You can do everything in the game without 2.1 gear. You can even do the hardest fight in the game with 2.1 gear because it was out long before 2.1. Fancy that.

As for ZeroRains...

You know after doing AV and PW? lol Those two were so much more 'cheap' and required so much less than Titan does.

Yet somehow those two, one designed not to be killed, are better designed than Titan. Yes, this makes complete sense.

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Where in your short fused mind Did I say they were better? I compared 2 notorious fights for being cheap to titan, pretty much on point. Seriously, go sit and corner, count to ten, calm down and come back when you have something intelligent to say, not idiocy.

Okay, i'm another bad guy... I have yet to beat this -- we just started out on him with my FC, and we are only progressing on him. But i love it, and it is one of the best encounter of the game IMO. I think what people don't like is that you can't carry people in there -- even if you play perfectly, anyone failing will lead to your death. However, if I may : What do you consider to be a challenging encounter that is well done ?

Also, i don't get how people are saying that the timing are too tight in it. To be honest, both timing of wieght of the land and landslide seems perfectly fine -- without knowing exactly when they are coming, i have never had any trouble dodging them (granted, i use a vpn).

Now, if you want to rage against the fact that the game basically require you to use a vpn and that is not normal, i get it. However, the problem is here with the lag of the game, not this particular encounter. And also, would love to know what you consider as good encounter. Turn 2 ? Where you are cheating your way through enrage timer because "rot is bad design and too punishing etc" ?

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Originally Posted by Casper

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Good encounters? Titan EM, T4 & T5. My favourites so far :).

Bad encounters? WP first boss...I can never ever dodge his AoE, the fat piece of s*** is so broken, must eat red gigantic triangle. </sarcasm, but seriously can't dodge.

I also dislike Garuda EM & Ifrit EM, so damn boring, almost falls asleep when I needed to farm them :(, Titan on the other hand is just awesome never gets boring. Funny enough BLM only needs Vortex the other two are meh, but must have all must collect all shines :).

Titan even though he is scripted, he still gets the heart bumping, increases epeen by a mile when you find dat little piece of safe land in between bombs and landslides. There is also the two adds, makes BLM feels so good when he/she single handedly brings them to their knees faster than any other job.

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Originally Posted by ZeroRains

Where in your short fused mind Did I say they were better? I compared 2 notorious fights for being cheap to titan, pretty much on point. Seriously, go sit and corner, count to ten, calm down and come back when you have something intelligent to say, not idiocy.

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Only if you promise to do the same.

Except, you'll have to set a precedent first. There isn't a post in this thread from you that doesn't contain idiocy. :X

the fact that Titan fight will always be whine at and not with another fight no matter how hard they trying to make, is in itself, state how bad design/environment/mechanic of the Titan fight

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Originally Posted by Miiu

Just because people whine about something doesn't mean its true. It just means there are people who have problems or don't want to deal with those mechanics.

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prays tell, why other mechanic NEVER get whine like Titan do then?

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Originally Posted by Bellybell

the fact that Titan fight will always be whine at and not with another fight no matter how hard they trying to make, is in itself, state how bad design/environment/mechanic of the Titan fight

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Just because people whine about something doesn't mean its true. It just means there are people who have problems or don't want to deal with those mechanics.

Just because some of us happen to be lucky and don't experience any connection trouble during this fight doesn't guarantee that the fight is well-designed. The situation that many people who face difficulties with this battle while having close to NONE issues dealing with other fight implies that something is wrong with the battle itself.

This isn't a test of skills anymore. It's a test of connection and your distance between the server, and that is not a wise way to increase the difficulty of a MMO.

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Originally Posted by Bellybell

prays tell, why other mechanic NEVER get whine like Titan do then?

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Because in most of the encounters in this game you can get through with only brute force.

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Originally Posted by Nigelle

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This isn't a test of skills anymore. It's a test of connection and your distance between the server, and that is not a wise way to increase the difficulty of a MMO.

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This is an online game. Ofc your connection matters. On some encounters more than others. If you have a bad connection you will be having troubles. No matter if you have to dodge AoE or playing healer and can't cure in time because the dmg registered too late on your machine.

*edit* Don't get me wrong its sucks that some people have connection issues and that square won't have real data centers in europe to at least bring server clusters closer to some players locations.

I love that there is a boss in this game people whine about.

Titan ex is one of the best fights and I really hope there is another wall just like him in future coil turns.

Hes honestly a easy fight with some practice.

4 things you should look into if your dieing in titan ex

1, you have bad latency this will effect you in future fights like twintania so fix it

2, you need practice, stop complaining and practice

3, you need a static or a better one

4, your just really bad

oh and just because your dieing does no mean your a good player with a bad connection, from what ive seen its just bad players with good connections
ive downed titan ex numerous times with many different groups. It's kinda werid that like the 40-50 odd individuals were able to learn the fight and beat and "you" (you know who you are) struggle so much.
And please god do not join a FC and expect them to take you on a run and carry you. Learn the fight to the point where you laugh when people get hit, and your friends are like "oh shit you got hit that never happens haha fluke, wipe it"
And just because you do good up until heart phase does not mean you know the fight, thats the easy shit, please be able to not get hit by the t/x pattern bombs, avoid every landslide, etc

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Originally Posted by stephenjd3

I love that there is a boss in this game people whine about.

Titan ex is one of the best fights and I really hope there is another wall just like him in future coil turns.

Hes honestly a easy fight with some practice.

4 things you should look into if your dieing in titan ex

1, you have bad latency this will effect you in future fights like twintania so fix it

2, you need practice, stop complaining and practice

3, you need a static or a better one

4, your just really bad

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oh my god that grammar and spelling.. Miqo'te.. Lightning hair.. named Arya Stark... OH MY GOD

At least try to put more effort into your arguments instead of resorting to insults. My group one shots all 3 EM primals but we still know Titan is a mess compared to the others, why can't Titan's abilities work like Eruptions on Ifrit? Ifrit EM eruptions are ACTUALLY realistically displayed on the screen, if you are out of them you do not get hit.. but you can't say the same about Titan

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Originally Posted by Ricky

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At least try to put more effort into your arguments instead of resorting to insults. My group one shots all 3 EM primals but we still know Titan is a mess compared to the others, why can't Titan's abilities work like Eruptions on Ifrit? Ifrit EM eruptions are ACTUALLY realistically displayed on the screen, if you are out of them you do not get hit.. but you can't say the same about Titan

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Sure you can. Especially after they increased the server position check intervals. If you got hit even though you were out of the plumes on your screen two things could have happened.
1. Your connection lagged behind
2. The sever had a hiccup.
But this is possible in all scenarios. Titan doesn't have exclusive rights to connection problems.

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Originally Posted by Miiu

Sure you can. Especially after they increased the server position check intervals. If you got hit even though you were out of the plumes on your screen two things could have happened.
1. Your connection lagged behind
2. The sever had a hiccup.
But this is possible in all scenarios. Titan doesn't have exclusive rights to connection problems.

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The patch notes are WAY too vague to know what those applied to:

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The frequency with which player position is updated during trials and PvP has been increased.
* Server stress will be closely monitored before these adjustments are applied to other duties.

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So you can't really say they were even applied to Titan

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Originally Posted by Nigelle

Just because some of us happen to be lucky and don't experience any connection trouble during this fight doesn't guarantee that the fight is well-designed. The situation that many people who face difficulties with this battle while having close to NONE issues dealing with other fight implies that something is wrong with the battle itself.

This isn't a test of skills anymore. It's a test of connection and your distance between the server, and that is not a wise way to increase the difficulty of a MMO.

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While I agree it's a bitch and harder to complete than other fights, it's not only because of the connection and it is beatable without insane lag too. Everything scritped to death, plumes which are the biggest issue with latency (slides are slower hence easier to dodge, same for bombs, plus if you constantly play with latency you learn to work around your delay, hence moving earlier even if the shit explodes in your face).

It is an interesting change, it's not hard nor impossible, I play with relatively high latency (last week ive been at aprox 220ms pings) and yes sometimes I eat a skill if I'm being part sloppy, even if I am out of the spell when it hit for a while already. However you can learn to work around it, and yes, it sucks big time having to do more than what you're supposed to in order to make it through.

That people whine and cry doesn't mean the fight is unfair, it's completely doable, you just need 6 competent people and 2 that can be half skilled. You can recover, from multiple deaths too, but of course it gets harder the more mistakes you make. It's not any harder than any of the other primals, difference is here more spells one shot you if you fail to dodge em. Just learn the patterns.

Either way, I want to remember you all it is just ONE fight in the game, all the other encounters work differently, if you don't like it, then avoid it as much as you can and do it only when necessary.

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Originally Posted by Ricky

The patch notes are WAY too vague to know what those applied to:

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The frequency with which player position is updated during trials and PvP has been increased.
* Server stress will be closely monitored before these adjustments are applied to other duties.

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So you can't really say they were even applied to Titan

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Lol, while you're 100% right. I'm pretty sure this fight would have been unbeatable pre-patch lol! (or close to it)

While it didn't magically solve everything, it did help a lot IMO. It's still random and you're still subject to server delays and shitty latency, but it is a tiny bit better (not the real solution to the problem though, just a patch).

whats wild is going back to titan HM after spamming titan extreme. the arena feels SO BIG

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Originally Posted by NyneAlexander

whats wild is going back to titan HM after spamming titan extreme. the arena feels SO BIG

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Lol, feels unreal. People run around everywhere, circle bombs are a joke... like... It's hard to tell you're past the heart since the arena is as big as P2 of Extreme Mode... LOL

@.@ So confusing :P

His whole skillset just feels wrong XD

Hi guys, Has SE commented on the lag spikes since 2.1? I fortunately haven't had the displeasure of ever seeing these lag spikes until 2.1 and it is honestly a roadblock for me and Titan EX.... I'm to the point where it is a real challenge for me to even do Titan HM w/o dying to a 3-5 sec lag spike that causes me to get hit by multiple plumes.... It is getting really annoying and I am pretty sure it isn't my ISP. Please advise. Thanks in advance!

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Originally Posted by Bunsen

Hi guys, Has SE commented on the lag spikes since 2.1? I fortunately haven't had the displeasure of ever seeing these lag spikes until 2.1 and it is honestly a roadblock for me and Titan EX.... I'm to the point where it is a real challenge for me to even do Titan HM w/o dying to a 3-5 sec lag spike that causes me to get hit by multiple plumes.... It is getting really annoying and I am pretty sure it isn't my ISP. Please advise. Thanks in advance!

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There is a thread about verizon fios users having insane rubberbanding/lag spikes after 2.1 and someone proved it was an ISP issue with some net testing that is beyond my own understanding or skill set.

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Originally Posted by NyneAlexander

There is a thread about verizon fios users having insane rubberbanding/lag spikes after 2.1 and someone proved it was an ISP issue with some net testing that is beyond my own understanding or skill set.

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This pretty much sums it up ;/

I have Verizon FiOS.... dammit... I'm guessing fix for 2.15 at the end of this month? Do you have link to thread by chance? Thanks!

here's one:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ed-traceroutes

but its not the one i was thinking about. I'll try and find that one too.

here's another one: (still not the thread i was thinking of though)

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...0-Mbps-connect..

I've been trying to clear Titan Ex for like 2 weeks now! And honestly, people just suck. I have found players with no lag problems and still dying. I have come to the point where I could take on titan myself if I didn't have to rely on 7 other people. I have joined groups where players are supposed to be pros and still failed. Cause there's always that ONE player who joins a good party to get carried, and throws off the whole battle. Idk what I can do to get a decent party on Titan ... Why are people so bad with this fight?

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Originally Posted by Devildante21

I've been trying to clear Titan Ex for like 2 weeks now! And honestly, people just suck. I have found players with no lag problems and still dying. I have come to the point where I could take on titan myself if I didn't have to rely on 7 other people. I have joined groups where players are supposed to be pros and still failed. Cause there's always that ONE player who joins a good party to get carried, and throws off the whole battle. Idk what I can do to get a decent party on Titan ... Why are people so bad with this fight?

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Same. It's really frustrating. I was in a group last night where the bard had a Leviathan bow and still kept dying over and over.

Umm. .. . . this topic didn't really need reviving. Get in Party Finder: Make a Party stating that failures will result in kicking and get yourself through it.

I know, must of us get annoyed by "elitist" attitude, but to be honest - anyone would be getting frustrated by that time. Just keep succeeding yourself and you will pass this when fate grants you the group you need.

The topic needed reviving if people are still having issues with it. Sorry, but who are you to tell others what topics do and do not need discussion?

Butthurt anyone?

Gee, it's funny to see how many people respond to topics they don't like or have no interest in discussing. Some people have way too much time on their hands.

All Titan Primal is actually the most fun and interesting fight in the game actually.

Only one shot Mechanic that titan has is GAOL and Earthen Fury if heart isn't destroyed. these have nothing to do with dodging but meeting the DPS requirement.
At full health none of the below can't one shot you.
1 Plume does about 2.5 to 3k damage. If you have trouble dodging this just don't stack with everyone. Stay as far away as you can. Medica one and two has great range and should be able to heal you anywhere on the MAP.
Thumult does about 800 damage for each stomp.
Landslide does about 1.7k damage, if for some reason you have trouble dodging this stay on titan's ass so it doesn't knock you off.
Samething with upheaval.
1 Bomb does anywhere from 3.2 to 3.5 damage
Geo Crush does massive damage

I personally think Titan is the funnest fight because of all the chaos. I even join progression groups because I enjoy it a lot.

Eventually, if you manage to get a 'titan em static' if you don't take echo into account which might unphase it, you can learn the mechanics, and beat him.

He's the one I have the less trouble with, Garuda being my pet peeve. But sticking to Titan, very fun fights, love to see people flying out, I even give them ratings for the most beautiful ones ^^

I love it that at this part of the endgame, it's not easy.

A game that is easy to clear, people will say: been there, done that, next MMO please.

Keep up at it, like Coil runs: you'll get them.

Titan EX is one of the most fun fights in the game.

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Originally Posted by SarcasmMisser

I was wondering when we will start getting the Titan EM rage threads, I guess it's a good sign most people are getting past garuda now.

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Same thing. You need only one tiny mistake to mess up the entire fight.
If dps isn't getting the sisters to appear right after plumes you can be sure there's no way to recover.

I do agree with the statement that in XI we hsd challenges where multiple approaches were valid but here only one very specific way is possible.

It is one of the few fights in which every party member must really know the fight AND its role. Finding a static is really helpful. The fight is fun and challenging plus since it isn't required to access anything else but other primals ex, you can take your time.

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I do agree with the statement that in XI we hsd challenges where multiple approaches were valid but here only one very specific way is possible.

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I think there is a second approach here: solo tank, but I think that it's only the eco buff (plus a good tank and 2 very good healers) that makes it doable.

Titan is fun . The tears makes it even moreso

even before echo and coil2 there were already solo heal + solo tank groups