Gear level, the final nail in the games coffin.

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Originally Posted by Dad

Gear score is completely fine if it is internal and can't be seen by other players, the system is possibly being put in place so you can't enter level 50 raids/dungeons with gear that is 20 levels below you. If it is external though, get ready to welcome in the elitism that people are mentioning. I personally love internal gear score (being used for duty finder and things like that) and hate external gear score (something you can view while examining a character).

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I completely agree with this. The real issue here is the devs will create a minimum score but players will up the score even further to what they think you should have. Unfortunately that score is usually equivalent to the gear that drops in that dungeon. Wow was really bad about this.

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Originally Posted by Sadebreth

I completely agree with this. The real issue here is the devs will create a minimum score but players will up the score even further to what they think you should have. Unfortunately that score is usually equivalent to the gear that drops in that dungeon. Wow was really bad about this.

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The good news is that it's the Duty Finder mechanism itself that gets to determine what you're allowed to enter. Player-mandated gear requirements are only an issue if you're putting together a party with randoms via /shout, which...well, don't do that.

Why is the people that actually take their time to gear up are considered "elitist"? Ofc they are going to look down on A.D.D. fueled kids who don't take the time to learn their class and gear up before trying end game content. The world isn't going to end tomorrow, take your time...

This new mentality from this generation of supposed gamers is just disturbing. It seems anything that requires effort and focus now falls in the "elitist" category. Sad really...

I do believe in helping others, and that they will not just automatically know how to master their class themselves without some help in areas. If someone is really trying, then I have all the patience in the world for them. But if they haven't put in any effort to help themselves by gearing up, practicing their skills, and doing job class research, then they can go hinder somebody elses night.

I simply would not have the patience for some adolescent that just had to hit 50 the first week of the game, and then expects to be carried the rest of the way through. I support GS restrictions all the way.

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Originally Posted by Trife

This new mentality from this generation of supposed gamers is just disturbing. It seems anything that requires effort and focus now falls in the "elitist" category. Sad really...

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This isn't what people in the thread are talking about. It is completely fine to gear your character, the issue comes about when certain gear drops in dungeons that you need to gear up, but other players might require you to already have the gear before entering the dungeon with them, which is impossible for players that have just hit that level and haven't even run the dungeon yet.

No one is saying geared players are elitist, they become elitist when they expect all other players to be on the same level as them without having experienced what they have.

EDIT: This behavior is appearing before gear scores even exist, you can see some people posting about it here:
http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen...uld_be_shamed/

Its unfortunate that the peeners are being "legitimized" by the development team. They are a vocal minority, that will grow as more people think that is "the right way to play".

But if there is any silver lining. It is that we will know who the really douchey players are.

Hopefully the gear level in DF is handled in a way that is not overly restrictive, and there is still room for some amount of mix between the very well-practiced and the newer players.

Frankly, I like failing with my group and figuring out the mechanics, but this is also a regular group and I wouldn't mind covering their costs to keep that part of the game fun for me if it came to that. But I can't carry everyone on the server and I don't expect people to do it for me. It is also possible due to ease of leveling that a number of people may not understand the true gear progression requirements and just queue for things the game lets them. You can't just be naked and dodge all the mechanics in games like this. Gear is needed.

I am still pretty sure with ilvl requirements in DF, people will still avoid players barely meeting that requirement or have an undergeared mainhand. The better approach is always to find the right FC to fit your playstyle. It solves all problems (ragequitters, DF queue times, gear, etc).

FFXI didn't have elitist players who shut people out over their gear?

You must not have played the same FFXI I did. It must have been completely different game by the same name. I hope you enjoyed playing it.

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Originally Posted by Dad

This isn't what people in the thread are talking about. It is completely fine to gear your character, the issue comes about when certain gear drops in dungeons that you need to gear up, but other players might require you to already have the gear before entering the dungeon with them, which is impossible for players that have just hit that level and haven't even run the dungeon yet.

No one is saying geared players are elitist, they become elitist when they expect all other players to be on the same level as them without having experienced what they have.

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That is why you have the duty finder, your only restriction is to enter the dungeon.. which of course would be lower than the level of the rewards you earn. it would be silly to require you to have the set of gear earned from a dungeon you are farming.. because you wouldnt be farming it.

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FFXI didn't have elitist players who shut people out over their gear?
You must not have played the same FFXI I did. It must have been completely different game by the same name. I hope you enjoyed playing it.

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And you know why? if you were doing pandemonium warden, it would be impossible if half of your team was fulltiming AF1. If this were a single player final fantasy, could you beat the super high level optional boss with the same equipment you beat the storyline with? absolutely not. try it, i dare you. Its the exact same concept here.

^^^ What he said /10 char

Farm for two weeks... get tombstones of philosophy... buy your darklight gear to replace the gear you get from Wanderer's and Keep. Now you'll have gear that was very easy to attain and have an item level between 55-70.

You win, good job.