Heals for Scholors need a buff

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Originally Posted by sharazisspecial

Ya if i could manual cast whispering dawn and fey illumination whenever i wanted i'd be a happy bunny. But no eos just waste it at start of fight, and all these whms just say deal with it sch is op and dont need any sort of fix.

Altho i have seen multiple titan and bahamut pts stack whms. I have not seen any stack sch

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I have seen groups take scholars over whms. Buff whms!

See what I did there?

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Originally Posted by ApolloGenX

I have seen groups take scholars over whms. Buff whms!

See what I did there?

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noone will choose 2sch over 2 whm or 1sch 1whm, the videos and screenies of bahamut have been of 2whm. Sch dont stack well compared to whm(medica2 and regen stack is crazy healing). titan vids are 3 whm or 2whm 1sch.

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Originally Posted by Kyomih

WHM will never outheal a SCH on overall healing. MP issues and the fact that shielding blocks direct heals contribute to this fact as much as other mechanics. The fairy not being affected by latency or MP issues for one..
sustained healing is powerful on parsers but does it really matter more than burst heals? No, it doesn't and I said that earlier in the thread already. It depends on the fight and if you can't get your tank to recover from a big hit fast and he ends up dying no amount of overall healing during a fight can save the day.

SCH and WHM are different for a reason and fill different roles and situations. Instead of trying to nerf one class or be jealous of one we should focus on how to improve our own without trying to focus too much on the other imo.

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Shields are not healing they are absortion... they never fall in the same list in any of the healing counters i have had.

Because prevented damage is always superior to healed taken damage.

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Originally Posted by ApolloGenX

Because prevented damage is always superior to healed taken damage.

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not really... having played numerous online games i prefer stonger heals to to absorption heals.. Between FF11, FF14 (both versions), Phantasy star, Aion, Guild Wars, everquest, and tons of free to play like shaiya, rappelz, free world int (ones that actually have healing classes)... and in all of them i talent (if able) to all solid heals and no absorption shields. besides absorption isnt healing.. its ABSORPTION... im sure thats a shock to some of you..

Yeah as a SCH I felt I needed Much Stronger heals yesterday when 3 guys from Shiva let me tank the adds in AK at last boss, and then complained that the DPS were dieing while I was healing the tank, and then tank dieing whyle I as healing the dps, Huehuehue.

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Originally Posted by Valiant

not really... having played numerous online games i prefer stonger heals to to absorption heals.. Between FF11, FF14 (both versions), Phantasy star, Aion, Guild Wars, everquest, and tons of free to play like shaiya, rappelz, free world int (ones that actually have healing classes)... and in all of them i talent (if able) to all solid heals and no absorption shields. besides absorption isnt healing.. its ABSORPTION... im sure thats a shock to some of you..

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Yes, absorption is not healing. In fact, as Apollo said, it is better than healing.

Absorption gives you two important abilities regular heals wont ever be able to match:


- Ignoring boss mechanics. With a decent absorb shield up, players are able to take hits that should (in theory) oneshot them. Especially important in fights with lots of AE in combination with heavy single target hits.
- Burst healing before damage happens. Usually (no matter the MMO), boss damage happens in spikes. Typically, large parts of boss fights will have relatively low damage done to the party, followed by periods of heavy damage or periods in which healing is made difficult/impossibly due to som mechanic. In these situations, being an absorb healer means having the MASSIVE advantage of being able to do some 'healing' before the damage happens, which hugely faciliates topping off the group during or after the damage period.

I'd say some boost to the AoE output would be useful, as well as improved Pet AI (or at least better control of their abilities through macros would be GREATLY appreciated) though otherwise I think scholars are fine. I feel they do taper a bit compared to Whm in terms of not wanting 2 in a 8 man, mostly due to the fact they don't have that big UMPH aoe heal. They are a bit behind i feel to WHM due to the aoe aspect, but far from being 'gimp'.

Gentle buffs, but no where near needing a big buff.

In my opinion, Scholar seems prefectly fine except for 2 major annoyances :

- Pet control/AI/lack of macros, should be remedied asap. I don't really mind not being able to control pet while casting, but at least give me te possibility to facilitate some stuff through macros.

- Shields from Succor and Adloquium not stacking. A relatively easy solution would be to turn any additional shields into minor HoTs. It prevents the possible OPness of stacking shields, but also prevents the gimping of having multiple SCH in a party. It'd be a different take on WHM's Medica, yet WHM's burst AoE heal would remain superior.

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Originally Posted by sharazisspecial

Complete misinformation, fairy first off has a recast of 3 sec. Secondly it takes her her 3.5 to 6 seconds to heal. Watch any hard mode fight and notice the occasional delay between fairy or even just play sch .
1. There is always a small delay for her to heal after we issue the command
2. Occasionally a random 1-2 sec delay when we command
3. We cant command whilst casting.
4. She wont heal players till they are 70% there has been occasional where people have low but fairy wasnt healing.


The ai is not perfect. Regen is always reliable compared to fairy.

Top guilds are stacking whm for titan and bahamut coil. I have not seen sch stack in highest endgame yet

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I really want to know how you play, as I never have any problems of fairy taking a long time to heal. Not counting the weird spots in some maps where she's apparently out of sight of the tank and won't do anything until you move her a bit. That's a bit annoying, but I've seen it happen only a couple of times.

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Originally Posted by Scerick

Once you get to a point where your tank has 6000 hp, she won't wait as long to start a heal as you currently see at lower levels when players have HP pools that are closer to the tank's total HP.

She heals the tank like crazy when she's in range (use place). There are often times where you will be in range to heal the tank, but Eos is not in range and won't heal at all.

One example: I have found that placing Eos on the tail of Ifrit increases her healing throughput exponentially vs. letting her follow me around.

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In my experience, faeries start to heal at around 75-80%, and they should almost always be told to stand still. They won't die to random aoe, and letting them follow you will just decrease the time they're healing, and sometimes they will even interrupt their cast to follow you.