Viera Changes

after keeping track of this thread and seeing all of the male viera that were done dirty from the update, I was very afraid on how my main would turn out.

https://i.gyazo.com/79c0b253de5f7f3b...3f9dd43617.jpg

all things considered though, I got off incredibly lucky. he's practically untouched outside of a few minor gripes. not a fan of how lips are handled, but I can live with it because the shape didn't change that much. I was always impartial on the rabbit nose, but I can completely sympathise with people being upset at its current implementation because it looks pretty scuffed. eyebrow roots definitely need to be darker/thicker all round though, they appear to be very thin for most chars I've seen in general.

my condolences to everyone that was wronged by the graphics update, and I hope SE can make changes to not alienate so many people. I haven't seen general discussion this hopped up like... ever.

My face 3 bun also got disrespected by the benchmark;; He looks so flat and lifeless now, and they somehow managed to make the dull colours even duller -- plus the lips are too stark, and the nose feels totally wrong :') I really do pray they'll rework it, i don't think i could keep playing bun like this....

https://i.imgur.com/GoMTf8b.png https://i.imgur.com/AvG9xNC.png

Face 2 female Viera. Not super pleased with the flatness of the face. She is missing a certain warmth and roundness that she possessed previously. Her lips have minimal dimension, shape, or shading. I mean... it isn't awful, and I'm sure a lot of work went into this, but I think it missed the mark. She's not the character I originally created and that's disappointing. I hope things improve before launch.

Before:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...f49b79348c360&

After:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...87571c319aa9d&

I originally made my Viera with big candid eyes to reflect the way she was discovering the world around her. I've always had this idea in mind of her learning how the world works and being welcoming, heart warming despite all odds. Which was great given the story actually turned out to fit perfectly around this.
With the update it feels she lost all her warmness and candid face. She has a stern cold look, and can't stop smirking. It feels like another character entirely.

https://i.imgur.com/A7nugly.png

https://i.imgur.com/arMTVOW.png

https://i.imgur.com/UPa0RiG.png

https://i.imgur.com/dvvLPdz.png

Veena: Face 4

I really am displeased with how my Veena turned out, her lips are terrible for one. Her eyebrows look to be painted on. The skin being.. flat also makes her look more harsh, and well, lifeless. It feels like she's lost all her visual personality.

The Veena pupils being smaller is also really disheartening, I really am a fan of the small differences between the 'clan' options in game.

During the benchmark cutscenes, it helped her look a bit better than the character creator, but those lips man.

The first picture is current, the second picture is benchmark.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...324c9ec017786&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...cfed8d66e3aef&

actually made a forum acc cause of the changes. A lot of people have said the same kinds of things but face 3 m viera just look... off?
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...a070b411ba9d5&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...3fa3ee6d7756c&

First is EW second was the benchmark. He looks kinda waxy now and i had to adjust his skintone a little cause something about the original looked off. Definitely nerfed his eyelashes :(
my little beauty mark wasnt working properly but i havent seen others have this issue so might just be my benchmark being funny.
I think the nose mark was nice being subtle since the other faces had more prominent ones.
And others have said this but the ear textures def are not finished, and the catchlights being gone make them look pretty dead inside.
Hopefully its a wip? fingers crossed :eek:

I love that Veena now have bright eyes like Rava, not arguing against anyone that doesn't like it because if you liked the older ones they're very different now so that's entirely fair, but for me personally that is a big upgrade. And other than a few exceptions that have some wonkiness, I think the hair looks wonderful as well.

My biggest complaints though are the eyebrow textures, and the lips. The lips have lost that subtle curve between the lips, it's a straight line now that changes the expression of the mouth and makes them look more sausage like.

Eyebrows already had kind of poor definition, and Veena especially has sparse and thin brows, but now they also became so... smudgy? I also tried it on one of my Rava presets, and it's way too easy to make your eyebrows melt into your skin now even with their fuller brows.

In the live game right now it was already a little difficult to make them show if you want to have lightly tanned skin and a creamy blonde hair, but now even the compromised skin + hair I settled on doesn't work anymore. Even in the benchmark lighting.

Face 3 Veena for reference.

How she looks now vs. after

https://i.imgur.com/717EPyQ.jpg

Browless and confused in the benchmark

https://i.imgur.com/1cP06Od.png

https://i.imgur.com/aLOz5J8.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/OGVmA20.png
Before / After

• There's that glitch with the beauty mark on male face 3 where it just shows up as a thin black line.
• The flat mouth line removes detail and makes the lips look less defined.
• His eyebrows have been lightened and look sparser.
• The inner corner of the eyes has been shortened, which noticeably changes the eye shape.
• Eyeliner shape is jagged.
• The bunny nose detail has been darkened (at least on his fair complexion). Personally, I actually don't have an issue with how it looks, but I do agree that this should be something that players should be able to toggle.
• His lashes also seem sparser? This is especially noticeable in the lower lashes.

Overall, the face also just feels like it lacks dimension now. Obviously, some of this has to do with the lighting changes, but there's something to be said about how these other minor changes to the model are definitely not helping.

https://i.imgur.com/dvViw91.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/kjsGkUf.png

I was lucky that my viera remained pretty much unscathed, he still looks great after the update even though he does suffer a bit from the lip issues, just not as prominently as many others. I also personally like that face 3 got more prominent nose marking but not everyone is happy about that, it should be optional. Still really sad how dirty they did vieras with this. I hope they will at the very least address the mouth situation before the release.

Also it's so weird because in the fanfest preview the updated viera looks much better than what we got?? How did they come out so drastically different in the benchmark?

https://i.imgur.com/vOo3RL2.png

I'm... I'm not going to lie. this is just a video game. but I'm kinda...devastated. I love my girl so much and she's just...not the same.

why was the highlight placement in her hair changed? it looks like emo shit in the 2000s. even the base color is too bright.
why are her lips the wrong shape and with no subtle shine? where's her puffy bottom lip?
the nose could be better but I could also live with if I had to.
but it's the eyes... the eyes......!!!!!!!! they ruin everything. I could probably learn to live with everything else if the eyes were right. but instead of a wide-eyed adventurer, I get a dead-eyed zombie.

I want my girl back :( Yoshi-P, please, fix this... I know you and the devs have already done so much work and still have so much to do, but so many of us are so upset... I was at the US FanFest and this is not what we saw and what we were promised...

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