Let's talk about bot housing business

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Originally Posted by AngelCheese77

This is true. Many games have ways to make loads of coins just by using what the game offers. If a player has the time and patience, I’m sure there are many legal ways in FF14 to make gil from the “norm”.

Also I’ve noticed some posts seem to be missing as my previous post has moved back a page. Interesting.

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Seriously though. Someone who I have a lot of respect for has built up a savings of over 2B gil just by taking advantage of patch day selling and furniture selling when houses are getting bought up rapidly. They build up a supply of items ahead of time, distribute them to different characters on different DCs and profit. It is completely legal and this is all done with one service account. All it takes it effort and planning for that type of endeavor, but market flipping is a way for people to make a good amount if they don't have the time to be able to put into all that prep.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

Can I ask for context here? I don't really know Ashe since he's not my prime source of crafting information.

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He's a youtuber/twitch streamer who makes videos on crafting and gil making. Since Squenix have decided to keep dumbing down crafting the main income now is from Submersibles. As I mentioned above it's not like he has one of those books from 2007 for WoW that you had to pay for to get hidden gold farming techniques. Everything he does is already known on this forum as well as multiple other youtubers.

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Originally Posted by Karious

Everyone in here suggesting they lower the gil you get from submarines and here I am just finally getting my subs operational to start raking in cash and you guys want to take that away? Stop witch hunting people. There's plenty of houses available if you want in on the gil making.

Edit: btw I own three houses in Balmung. You dummies ain't taking that away from me.

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The goal isn't to take money away from other players. The goal is to make more plots available to players that want a house to create a home for their character on their current home worlds. That means removing the financial benefits from house ownership and putting them elsewhere in the game.

Moving the workshop from house ownership to Island Sanctuary or Grand Company HQ (similar to Squadron Barracks) would benefit those only interested in running a sub farm. That's millions of gil they no longer have to spend to purchase a house and can instead use to buy other things.

Same with those only interested in Gardening. If there was another location where gardening is possible, they wouldn't have to pay millions to get into it.

Less demand for houses makes it easier to get one. The easier it is to get one, the less likely a player is to be motivated by FOMO to buy when they aren't currently interest in a house but feel they will be later and won't be able to get one. The more owners who have their houses because they want to decorate and create a home for their characters, the better the ward environment becomes as the plots get decorated (theoretically, Namazu Effigy and Paissa say "hi") .

Player traffic in the wards to make them feel like actual neighborhoods is a problem that I don't think will ever be solved unless they mix instanced housing in with the ward houses. There isn't enough reason for a large number of players to be in a specific ward/subdivision at the same time short of one of the more popular RP venues being open, and even then it doesn't do you any good if the venue is on the far side of the ward from your house.

But still, better to be in a ward filled with plots with visible signs of use instead of in stale wards that are mostly undecorated because most of the plots were purchased by those running sub farms.

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Originally Posted by Akibaws

He's a youtuber/twitch streamer who makes videos on crafting and gil making. Since Squenix have decided to keep dumbing down crafting the main income now is from Submersibles. As I mentioned above it's not like he has one of those books from 2007 for WoW that you had to pay for to get hidden gold farming techniques. Everything he does is already known on this forum as well as multiple other youtubers.

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Not to mention links to all this information being available in the Submersibles Discord, which is listed in the Submersible Information Thread in the Items, Synthesis and Gathering subforum.

this was a problem long before their Lottery "fix" in addition to the Wards split, and will likely continue to be one long into the future as they don't seem particularly eager to actually police anything.

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Originally Posted by Chikatsu

this was a problem long before their Lottery "fix" in addition to the Wards split, and will likely continue to be one long into the future as they don't seem particularly eager to actually police anything.

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No need to police what isn't against "the law".

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Originally Posted by Akibaws

Pulling stuff out of your ass. I subbed to him and the private videos get released publicly a short time after. There is no secret in his videos, it is all common knowledge. Especially if you look at the submersible thread on this forum.

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mmmh you should asking him then why he needs to "borrow" free available information and selling them as his own creation for a few measly subs on his patreon :D

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Originally Posted by Yodada

mmmh you should asking him then why he needs to "borrow" free available information and selling them as his own creation for a few measly subs on his patreon :D

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Probably how he presents it, or to help support him?

Because much of the community would much rather slavishly follow a blueprint given to them than actually do the footwork of acquiring information.

For a laugh, wait until pentameld recommendations come up for the crafting sets in 7.0, and watch how prices for lesser materia march exactly in line with the suggestions, even when it results in absolutely deranged behavior like paying 20x the price for a grade 2 materia instead of a grade 3/4.

Why not ensure some profit off of that (and ensure the people who you profit from then also profit in turn off the latecomers)?

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

The goal isn't to take money away from other players. The goal is to make more plots available to players that want a house to create a home for their character on their current home worlds. That means removing the financial benefits from house ownership and putting them elsewhere in the game.

Moving the workshop from house ownership to Island Sanctuary or Grand Company HQ (similar to Squadron Barracks) would benefit those only interested in running a sub farm. That's millions of gil they no longer have to spend to purchase a house and can instead use to buy other things.

Same with those only interested in Gardening. If there was another location where gardening is possible, they wouldn't have to pay millions to get into it.

Less demand for houses makes it easier to get one. The easier it is to get one, the less likely a player is to be motivated by FOMO to buy when they aren't currently interest in a house but feel they will be later and won't be able to get one. The more owners who have their houses because they want to decorate and create a home for their characters, the better the ward environment becomes as the plots get decorated (theoretically, Namazu Effigy and Paissa say "hi") .

But still, better to be in a ward filled with plots with visible signs of use instead of in stale wards that are mostly undecorated because most of the plots were purchased by those running sub farms.


Not to mention links to all this information being available in the Submersibles Discord, which is listed in the Submersible Information Thread in the Items, Synthesis and Gathering subforum.

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You understand that putting submarines and their income in something such as the island would have consequences right ? Everything would increase, because everyone would have access to such an income of gil, with as many alts as you want, people will just make alts for the sake of it and will rack in gil, resulting in dramatic price increases in absolutely everything in the MB, also "sub farms" wouldnt go anywhere, they already have their plots and are well established, a lot of people keep the houses not only for the gil, but also to have them, I would know, the 2nd being my main reason for doing housing in the first place, decorating is fun.

Also another thing that kind of strike me

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But still, better to be in a ward filled with plots with visible signs of use instead of in stale wards that are mostly undecorated because most of the plots were purchased by those running sub farms.

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Have you even been in a personal ward lately ? There are no FC's around, and most plots are empty wastelands with nothing on them, or an item or two, it's not any better than submariners, at least some of them decorate them.

I honestly just want to nuke wards and introduce full instanced housing. Nip the botting problem in the bud. Submarines are going to drop in value anyways since they said they were making submarines personal and not just for FCs.

I got an Ishgardian house first lottery on BALMUNG the biggest RP/Social server in the game and I have not seen a single neighbor once in the nearly two years I have had the house. All the houses that surround me are empty, not even gardens. I am right by the marketboard and never have seen anyone there. My FC is in the Mist right by the MB as well. In the 6 years we've had the house, we've only seen the same two people.

It's all pretty sad.