RMTs are starting to bother me...

RMT are perfectly justified in what they do. The reason why RMT exist is because there is a demand for their services. And nothing in the "Terms of Agreement" is going to convince a judge that what they are doing is harmful. A Judge is going to see it as part of the free enterprise system. You people talk about RMTs as if they we're Shylock from Shakespeare's The Merchant of Venice.

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Originally Posted by Antipika

No one care if you are AFK or on the phone while standing still.



The GM won't supsend you if you are static doing nothing. They're not that stupid. You'll be most likely observed for few minutes, /tell will be sent to you, if you keep on mining or do w/e you're doing without replying, they will send you another /tell. If you keep on going you'll end up jailed and will have to explain why you did not comply. That's how it worked on XI.

Failure to comply to GMs instructions at any given time during your gameplay is a violation of the ToS.

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You can be banned for this, alot of cheating programs and bots have cut-offs, so if a character with GM appears or /tells them for example the bot shutdowns, usually in these cases the players will get banned.

But this is stupid for the fact that normal players can get caughtup in it from having to go AFK all of a sudden, for a phonecall etc.

You don't get banned if it shuts off, they just try to talk to you again later.

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Originally Posted by Churchill

You don't get banned if it shuts off, they just try to talk to you again later.

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Alot of games GMs ban characters that stop / are afk when they try to speak to them, in FFXI one of my RL friends got banned for RMT when all he did was trade his other account 15 million gil even though it was on the same Square-Enix account, 12 month investigation later and still banned.

That doesn't mean you'll get banned for stopping all actions. GM's in XI ban people for no reason all the time, you could get banned for crafting, get banned for farming the same item or get banned for having a lot of gil/earning a lot of gil in a short period of time. There is no investigation process in XI, it's all random and more than likely performed by a skeleton crew of weaboos and people who have never played the game or understand why people would do action a/b/c.

If i go afk and miss a tell or w/e from a GM, why should i have to scroll back or whatever to make sure no GM has messaged me ? Why should i do their job for them ? And they should not be banning people left and right w/o absolute proof of wrongdoings anyways, the community is dwindling as it is, start banning innocent people left and right, and guess who wont be recomending this game....

I remember when they drove prices up in AH in FFxi but all i see them doing is sit around lvl without even moveing

They didn't drive the price up lol...most people don't have any idea why the economy became what it did.

RMT took advantage of the inflation, they didn't cause it.

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Originally Posted by Laraul

RMT are perfectly justified in what they do. The reason why RMT exist is because there is a demand for their services. And nothing in the "Terms of Agreement" is going to convince a judge that what they are doing is harmful. A Judge is going to see it as part of the free enterprise system. You people talk about RMTs as if they we're Shylock from Shakespeare's The Merchant of Venice.

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You are so misguided and lost in the weeds here, it's almost impressive.

It's in the TOS that RMT and related activities are prohibited. All players - every single one, whatever their intention for logging in - is agreeing to follow those TOS in order to play. After that, whether or not what they do is "okay" is up to the developer/publisher. But, you know, go ahead and tell SE you're engaging in RMT, let them see that you are, in fact, doing so and then tell them "RMT is a perfect acceptable business and you can't do anything to me about it, because they're providing a service". Go ahead and try that. Let us know how it turns out for you.

It doesn't have to go to court (even though that's already happened, see below) because management of it is entirely within the power of the company. Yes, the developer of a game really does have the authority to decide what is and what is not permissible within their game, and you accept and agree to abide that authority every time you click "I Accept" on one of those TOS/EULA windows you probably don't bother to read first. You accept the penalties that would rise from being caught in violation of them.

Many of them exercise this authority on a regular and on-going basis. There are myriad examples. Your personal opinion of whether it's okay, or your conjecture of what a court would say on the matter are completely irrelevant. You don't decide the rules.

Incidentally, if you want to go down that road, there's far more precedence to indicate a judge would uphold the company's TOS and hold the RMT company or its related activity at fault than the other way around. Blizzard won an injuction against a RMT company some years back, hence showing that when enforced in such a matter, a judge absolutely would rule in the company's favor. Source

In short, you can lie to yourself, you can try to lie to everyone else. However you slice it, the facts are not on your side.

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Originally Posted by XxOstiaxX

If i go afk and miss a tell or w/e from a GM, why should i have to scroll back or whatever to make sure no GM has messaged me ? Why should i do their job for them ? And they should not be banning people left and right w/o absolute proof of wrongdoings anyways, the community is dwindling as it is, start banning innocent people left and right, and guess who wont be recomending this game....

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If you were afk and not moving or blinking or turbocrafting, then you shouldn't, since you shouldn't have gotten that tell to start with. If you did though, then yes, you should scroll back, but it might be too late anyways, so nah, don't bother.