Breaking down some of the screenshots

This thread has a very bad Bitching to Screenshot Breakdown ratio.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

Honesty goes a long way my friend.

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I agree, i just think that SE is more honest than it should. Too much is always bad, and this does also apply on honesty.

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Originally Posted by Exekutor

Well i dont know what you are about to say with that. Are you aware that FFVII´s graphics were groundbreaking for the time of its release? It was the first 3D Final Fantasy and had stunning overall graphics and video sequences.

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Even if not the best example, it's pretty obvious that gameplay > graphics by a long shot.

http://www.ffandmore.com/wp-content/...r_Succubus.png

not a screenshot, but this succubus artwork looks like it was done by Tsubasa Masao, rather than Yoshida. Tsubasa quickly becoming one of my favorite artists.

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Originally Posted by Jekyll

Even if not the best example, it's prett obvious that gameplay > graphics by a long shot.

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Well I agree, what's your point? I liked my terrain textures, I liked my great looking bushes. Do I have to trade those for low resolution textures and flat bushes just to get good gameplay? Because if that's the case then I'll do it, I just don't see the reason for me having to make that tradeoff.

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Originally Posted by Ikea

Well I agree, what's your point? I liked my terrain textures, I liked my great looking bushes. Do I have to trade those for low resolution textures and flat bushes just to get good gameplay? Because if that's the case then I'll do it, I just don't see the reason for me having to make that tradeoff.

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I wasn't arguing that we have to make that trade off, I was simply stating that graphics are a small portion of the experience. Nothing was implied beyond that statement. While I'm not as enthusiastic about the "great looking bushes", I too enjoy having my cake and being able to eat it.

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Originally Posted by Cendres

Are you kidding. Obviously since I've just read 2 of your post that state the graphics aren't great..... I don't know with what kind of eyes you have in your head but you should be seeing a significant improvement........ The rise in quality is hard to deny, I just don't understand where you could be coming from.

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Well, shadows are the obvious improvement, and the only one I can really see. I don't know what kind of eyes you have if you can't see everything else is worse (low res textures, lower polygon count).

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Originally Posted by Jekyll

I wasn't arguing that we have to make that trade off, I was simply stating that graphics are a small portion of the experience. Nothing was implied beyond that statement. While I'm not as enthusiastic about the "great looking bushes", I too enjoy having my cake and being able to eat it.

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And you're a lalafell? The bushes feel like a jungle, you can almost get lost in them!

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Originally Posted by Jekyll

Even if not the best example, it's pretty obvious that gameplay > graphics by a long shot.

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That's true. But you can't really judge gameplay from a screenshot. In this thread, we are just judging the screenshots, not gameplay. And from screenshots obviously 2.0 graphics are worse than current FFXIV graphics, the improved shadows notwithstanding.

I think when the new site launches in a day or two we will know more.