Final Fantasy XIV and a Culture of Enabling

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Originally Posted by Doozer

I think you're projecting far too much to even waste my time talking to you. Questioning your qualifications and experience is not shaming, unless you perceive everyone that disagrees with you as attacking you. Clearly others figured out earlier that you're just looking for a fight to simultaneously win and lose, and that's why they stopped bothering. Sorry you're a victim in this game because you're so good and everyone else is so bad. Perhaps you want to play a different game? A singleplayer one, perhaps?

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Oh, I'm projecting? :rolleyes:

So, are you trying to say that players who do not complete high end PvE content cannot have an opinion on general content on this game? If so, that is concerning, it comes off as quite elitist, but that's just my opinion on that particular view.

No, I am usually the one who stops posting in response actually, and you responded to me initially. I just thought it was odd, your take on the subject, when I recalled an argument in the DF thread (which I was not a part of), that I thought was clearly contrary to what was posted here!

I'm sorry, but my original argument wasn't about how good or bad I or other players are. It was about players - in general - respecting each other's time and putting in an adequate amount of "effort", specifically using AoE skills, combos, and not being AFK, as to not be a burden on another player's experience. I was never referring to ultimate, or savage level play. This thread expands on that idea, referring to how the community - in general - enables, and defends the sort of players who are a burden on others and do not respect another's time.

Thanks for the concern! I have been playing single-player games! Quite a few of them recently! I could recommend some for you, depending on your tastes! I quite like PvP games too, so if you are into that kind of thing, I could recommend those as well!

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Oh, I'm projecting? :rolleyes:

So, are you trying to say that players who do not complete high end PvE content cannot have an opinion on general content on this game? If so, that is concerning, it comes off as quite elitist, but that's just my opinion on that particular view.

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Yep, projecting. Bye. Fight by yourself.

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Originally Posted by Awha

Oddly enough when I started to play I had friends tell me not to use ACT cause it would be terrifying how bad people are in this game. For the longest I thought it was an exaggeration. Sadly it it was not, so I do not doubt the frequency but I think it more so comes down to varying degrees of patience and expectations.

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This was exactly when my expectation watered down. I will rant, vent, and judge internally---nothing will change. But that's all about I can do aside from taking the "take it or leave it."-stance. At least the game is still enjoyable in many aspects. :)

These days, I tend to just ask around for what the HP milestones on each extreme/savage fight are so I know sooner then later whether or not a PF group is worth sticking with.

It's just a pity there isn't any way for people to actually know if they're underperforming short of someone calling them out on it using ACT or some other third party program.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

It's just a pity there isn't any way for people to actually know if they're underperforming short of someone calling them out on it using ACT or some other third party program.

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Devs: We want you to relax and not worry about your performance, so we've hidden, banned and taken away most tools to evaluate that so you can have fun!

Also Devs: Oh btw, your parties have full right to silently boot you for performance at any time and endgame bosses will enrage and wipe your entire team if you aren't good enough so you'll never beat them and it'll be all your fault. Enjoy!

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Originally Posted by Doozer

Yep, projecting. Bye. Fight by yourself.

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lmao, imagine invalidating your own argument with a prior post, insulting someone when they link it and then running away from the argument YOU started

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Originally Posted by Caurcas

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uhhh okey? *insert awkward meme*

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Originally Posted by linayar

Well, yeah, it is pretty self-explanatory: Performance is based on what you are trying to accomplish, and what you're trying to accomplish is clearing the content, especially when the game doesn't reward you for doing anything extra to clearing the content. How you play is irrelevant as long as you can clear the content.

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It depends on the person, sure the game may not reward you but it is a team game people should respect the time of others in the group by having a basic understand how to play their role. I have been in group where as a tank I have d/out damaged a SAM. Sure we cleared the content but objectively they failed their role as a damage dealer. Just like if a tank cannot hold aggro or a healer that does heal objectively fails at their role.

Or are we going to say that irrelevant cause they content was cleared? Also I have cleared content with tanks that refuse to hold aggro is it really safe to say they were competent players / did not under perform.

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Originally Posted by Rinhi

lmao, imagine invalidating your own argument with a prior post, insulting someone when they link it and then running away from the argument YOU started

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The Doozer classic.

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Originally Posted by Rinhi

lmao, imagine invalidating your own argument with a prior post, insulting someone when they link it and then running away from the argument YOU started

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That's pretty much his typical MO.

That and victim blaming people to preserve his worldview. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯