Really hope next savage tier is delayed.

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Originally Posted by linayar

Yeah, ok, you just don't read apparently.

Also this:



As for the rest:

Right, because PF doesn't have min ilv option...

As long as it can affect me, I'll give my opinion on it. It's not going to kill you to not rush through the content either if you don't have the time or the gear.

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Anybody that reads your previous post can clearly see one of your main reasons was the devs don't change. Not sure why out of no where it was never your argument yeah dude you're not fooling anybody. You're just backing down and trying to take a different approach now that people and myself debunked you about pattern change history.
Also I did see you say that before my reply, I just thought it was funny that you once again brought it up (the pattern) as for the main reason the delay won't happen. But it was never your argument right? even though you brought it up more than anybody? Hmm...

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Originally Posted by linayar

Right, because PF doesn't have min ilv option...

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Right~ and guess how long it'll take to fill? if it...fill at all... ooooh but that's~ right you wouldn't know would you? because you don't raid.
Hell...even setting the pf to 500 for the new primal it never fills or it takes ages.

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Originally Posted by linayar

As long as it can affect me, I'll give my opinion on it. It's not going to kill you to not rush through the content either if you don't have the time or the gear.

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You know what...now that I took some chill pills/slept and reflected on my previous post. Limme start by saying, yeah maybe you do have an opinion. Because when I think back when I wasn't a raider, I liked getting stronger for the sake of it and all I did was tome farm/expert and ex primal(and relic grind)
But overall I still don't think you really need the tomes right away, even if you predominantly do those types of content but I understand.
Also apologies for all the insults and toxicity.

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Originally Posted by xxvaynxx

Anybody that reads your previous post can clearly see one of your main reasons was the devs don't change. Not sure why out of no where it was never your argument yeah dude you're not fooling anybody. You're just backing down and trying to take a different approach now that people and myself debunked you about pattern change history.

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Wrong again:

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Originally Posted by linayar

I repeat: It is never my argument that they cannot change. But until they do, I will assume they will follow established patterns. It's one thing if there is no established pattern, but that's not the case here.

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In other words, they've changed in other areas, but until they change in this area, I'm not going to like it if they do the same as patch .05 of an expansion in regard to this.

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Right~ and guess how long it'll take to fill? if it...fill at all... ooooh but that's~ right you wouldn't know would you? because you don't raid.
Hell...even setting the pf to 500 for the new primal it never fills or it takes ages.

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If you don't want people to be undergeared and there are not enough people that are geared to your satisfaction in PF, then bypass the PF by having a static who have the same mindset or wait until there are enough people who are geared. And hey, if you choose to wait, now you have time to do story quests without rushing.

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You know what...now that I took some chill pills/slept and reflected on my previous post. Limme start by saying, yeah maybe you do have an opinion. Because when I think back when I wasn't a raider, I liked getting stronger for the sake of it and all I did was tome farm/expert and ex primal(and relic grind)
But overall I still don't think you really need the tomes right away, even if you predominantly do those types of content but I understand.
Also apologies for all the insults and toxicity.

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Look, I don't know what exactly "chill pills" are, but if this discussion is making you stressed, then let's just back away from it. In the end, it's SE who will decide whatever they want.

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Originally Posted by linayar

Look, I don't know what exactly "chill pills" are, but if this discussion is making you stressed, then let's just back away from it. In the end, it's SE who will decide whatever they want.

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Lmao its just a slang word for relax.
Also wouldn't say it making me stressed (I probably wouldn't even have made the thread if I did get so easily stressed since I know these topics turn into a endless debate) but that's besides the point. In the end, yeah. It is SE who will decide.
From the person that linked the thread that was similar to mine, you can see a sizeable amount wants this. Its impossible to know the true amount but I do vaguely remember yoshi-p saying they thought about delaying savage before but they decided against it. Though don't quote me on this because It might just be a retrospective falsification and I don't remember which live letter it was but pretty sure he said something like this in a live letter.

I don't raid savage, here's my 2 gil anyway.

For this expansion I feel like it's already too late to see any significant changes.
For the next expansion? They could totally uncouple access to savage from completion of the normal raid if they wanted to.
We already have cutscene interactions that change slightly based on your prior actions. Just throw in a warning that jumping straight into savage will spoil who the bosses in normal are, have the gatekeeper NPC say something along the lines of "this simulation/memory crystal/other macguffin is based on the experience of this other group of people who did/attempted the normal raid before you got around to it" if you did not do normal first and we're mostly good.
There is of course the disconnect of going back to do normal afterwards and then somehow being the first/only people who did the raid but I'm going to assume that's a price most people who want to get into day 1 progression asap are willing to pay for the sake of being able to do the normal mode story at their leisure.

I don't world race, but I love raiding and story in this game, and in my opinion, a delayed release of Savage for every tier would be a good idea overall. I do follow some world racers who basically have to go completely social media dark and have extremely attentive mods on their streams to avoid getting accidentally spoiled on the patch story after having it done to them before. It doesn't even have to delay the release of the new Tomestones necessarily, since all it will give is a -10 accessory, since the world racers currently go in with prior tier BiS and a team of crafters making the new created gear and pentamelding it so they hit the equipment check for the final floor. It wouldn't even increase their average item level.

And a final benefit, it would truly illustrate the "it's never too late to raid" mentality the dev team seems to be working under. That week would give someone who doesn't have prior-tier BiS the opportunity to do day one on a new job with the crafted gear. I've raided with people who would make great world racers, but just got to this tier too late and won't be able to so the necessary steps for WR on 5.4 as a result. I known a few people who won't world race due to having the story ruined for them and if that were not a problem they'd have, they'd do it in a heartbeat. In my opinion, removing artificial barriers - like fear of spoilers - to world racing is a good thing.

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It doesn't even have to delay the release of the new Tomestones necessarily ... That week would give someone who doesn't have prior-tier BiS the opportunity to do day one on a new job with the crafted gear.

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The new tomestone is tied to the launch of savage.

The new craft materials are tied to the old tomestone (the one they cost) being uncapped.

You will not have crafted gear before savage launches.

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Originally Posted by xxvaynxx

Just like on the start of the expansion. I hope savage is delayed 1-2 weeks so raiders like myself don't have to rush, rush.
To unlock savage as fast as possible and ignore everything and skip cut scenes from the normal mode.

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This just means crafters have even less of an advantage because people doing savage can get 3 weeks worth of normal raid loot before having to do savage.

Personally I wouldn't be against releasing the savage tier a week or two later, Maybe alongside the ishgard restoration. I don't do savage myself so i'm not really concerned anyway but there are likely some savage raiders who are also interested in the other content but can't do it because they're too busy racing to world first, plus they can't appreciate the story when running through normal mode as they're just rushing it to get to savage.

(yes I know this thread was necroed, but I don't mind too much in this case, it's not like the thread is that old and it's still relevant)

week delay wouldn't be a big deal it just means people can be more prepared,take there time with Normal mode/Story,MB pricing for crafted gear doesnt plummet as fast and do what ever is new said patch.
still a week 1 kill be same as always even with tome chest/leggings.

O my god burn this thread please . You all really think that people who are rushing to savage care about the story ... . If they are too busy going for "world first" they still can do the rest of the content later too ...