Predictions for job(s) in the next expansion?

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Originally Posted by Mhaeric

However you want to justify hand-waving that there are already two pure dps jobs that wield 2-handed weapons is fine with me.

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Gotta love how you're leaving out the fact that I said '' *big* two-handed '' and went on to bring up WAR and DRK as examples only that they're tanks and not dps, lol.
You know the ones with the big axe and greatsword.
If the Samurai revolved all around Nodachi's and were heavier thematically that'd be one thing.

I dunno why you're arguing about this as if you disagreeing with people and misinterpreting = people being dishonest.
It's pretty rude, and I never hand-waved away there being dps who wields weapons in two-hands.
It's like if I said that the game doesn't have a gunslinger and you went '' nuh-uh, the MCH ''...
Like seriously... It's pretty clear what I mean.
The thematics of a gunslinger and the MCH are very different, and it's the same with a big two-hander and just a two-hander. Both the Samurai and Dragoon are thematically very fast and don't act like they're wielding big weapons the way that WAR and DRK do.

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Originally Posted by Mhaeric

Now who's the one being obtuse?

Edit: Nice edit. Your picture and caption is still you being obtuse.

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I actually edited as you made this post because I figured that just the image and the caption wasn't substantial enough. But I wasn't being obtuse, I absolutely understand your argument. It's just that your argument is based on a completely literal reading of half of a post while ignoring the other half that provides additional qualifications on what they want (IE: Like Warrior or Dark Knight), that Dragoon's wholly unique to FF class fantasy and aesthetic is somehow interchangeable with a Barbarian/Greatsword Knight aesthetic or fantasy, and that jobs occasionally having large weapon models constitutes a job aesthetic and not occasional gear design.

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Originally Posted by Mhaeric

You mean the part where someone wants a 2-handed dps that specifically uses a giant sword? Say that, then. Don't say "the game is sorta lacking a big two-handed pure dps" because those exist.

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They did. Emphasis here.

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Originally Posted by Kolsykol

I dunno how likely this is, but the game is sorta lacking a big two-handed pure dps.
Both WAR and DRK are tanks, I'd like to see one that isn't.

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Reading the entire post tells you exactly what sort of aesthetic they're looking for.

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Originally Posted by Mhaeric

Now who's the one being obtuse?

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The person youre speaking to is trying to convey an idea, that they are struggling to articulate.
Trying to convince them their idea is something other than what they are thinking, isnt helping.
But its understandable to not know what they are talking about, since its not something easily described. Instead of arguing semantics on DRG, try to imagine what they are really getting at, since they arent explaining themselves very well. (I made a post about this at the top of page 15. Also, no, its not simply a DPS DRK, or 2hand sword user. As a 2hand Hammer/Mace would be fine too. (I would say Axe, but since 14 locks jobs to weapons, axe/sword dont count) but they are technically wrong, or id imagine they are, that it also doesnt require a 2hand weapon either. I'd imagine a general 'offensive tank' aesthetic, but as a DPS, is the best way to describe it, along with "swing" based weapons, and less precision/counter style fighting.)

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Originally Posted by Kolsykol

Gotta love how you're leaving out the fact that I said '' *big* two-handed '' and went on to bring up WAR and DRK as examples only that they're tanks and not dps, lol.
You know the ones with the big axe and greatsword.
If the Samurai revolved all around Nodachi's and were heavier thematically that'd be one thing.

I dunno why you're arguing about this as if you disagreeing with people and misinterpreting = people being dishonest.
It's pretty rude, and I never hand-waved away there being dps who wields weapons in two-hands.
It's like if I said that the game doesn't have a gunslinger and you went '' nuh-uh, the MCH ''...
Like seriously... It's pretty clear what I mean.
The thematics of a gunslinger and the MCH are very different, and it's the same with a big two-hander and just a two-hander. Both the Samurai and Dragoon are thematically very fast and don't act like they're wielding big weapons the way that WAR and DRK do.

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I disagree that they're not "big weapon dps". DRG is not thematically fast. It has the slowest GCD of the melee dps and by far has the biggest weapon in the game. It even has a move called "Spineshatter Dive" because thematically it is so powerful that it shatters spines. And Samurai has the hardest hitting weapon skills in the game. Even just their basic 1-2-3 combo hits like a truck, and they can charge up one of their strikes to cause the largest hitting attack in the entire game. I get that you want something like Cloud's weapon or even maybe a massive 2-handed hammer, but this game does not currently lack a heavy-hitting dps class with a big two-handed weapon.

At any rate, my first post was light-hearted tongue in cheek. The following posts where people took it seriously and started doubling down on this weird "Dragoon is an agile dps class with a small pokey weapon that doesn't really hit hard" thing is what I have an issue with. I mean, that's not reality.

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Originally Posted by Mhaeric

I disagree that they're not "big weapon dps". DRG is not thematically fast. It has the slowest GCD of the melee dps and by far has the biggest weapon in the game. It even has a move called "Spineshatter Dive" because thematically it is so powerful that it shatters spines. And Samurai has the hardest hitting weapon skills in the game. Even just their basic 1-2-3 combo hits like a truck, and they can charge up one of their strikes to cause the largest hitting attack in the entire game. I get that you want something like Cloud's weapon or even maybe a massive 2-handed hammer, but this game does not currently lack a heavy-hitting dps class with a big two-handed weapon.

At any rate, my first post was light-hearted tongue in cheek. The following posts where people took it seriously and started doubling down on this weird "Dragoon is an agile dps class with a small pokey weapon that doesn't really hit hard" thing is what I have an issue with. I mean, that's not reality.

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You are still just debating a semantics argument against someone who clarified.

You are also debating a fantasy imagined reality. (not really a concept you can usually argue)

You are also classifying a typically aerial combatant as "heavy" and slow.

You are classifying the katana as a 2h weapon. It is generally hand and a half weapon that utilizes both grips. The nodachi, dai-katana, etc. would be the heavy type.

Your opinion piece here is trying to crap on someone whose point was clear even from the beginning if you took the time to consider it instead of being belligerent to the point that the thread is now derailed.

AND your opinion is based on some pretty poor and highly circumspect perspective analysis that omits all aspects that suggest the contrary.

At the end of the freaking day the simple fact is:

DRG, and SAM, do not satisfy the fantasy of a Berserker or heavy weapons dps by most of this communities consideration. Neither have ever fit that fantasy archetype in any moment of the final fantasy cannon historically either. This guy expressed his interest in (what has now been clarified but was contextually clear in the first place) an aggressive crazed battle style dps often classified in RPGs generally as a berserker or HEAVY class.

And no one here has 'doubled down' on their semantics with more hard-headed attitude than you.

I've been enjoying revisiting this thread every couple of days just to peruse peoples opinions and ideas, but this whole thing has gotten stale.

A healer is pretty much a given for 6.0, some thing it could be chemist but personally I'd place my bet's on Geomancer being the next healer both because of already existing lore and that post 70 WHM has become a pure Light based White mage, Geo would essentially take over the elemental healing and take it in a different direction IMO.

As for 2nd Job, I would potentially give Ranger (Dual Pistols) a guess based on MCH going a seperate direction as a wielder of tools like Edgar (FF6) and that we never got a real gunner Job from Limsa. Since Archer bacame BRD with FFXIV it left the Ranger Job like from FFXI unused right now. Alternatively they could go with a Dual Wielding swordmaster akin to ARR Raubahn as well as it's a role not yet filled or a glaive user (Double Bladed sword user).

I know its extremely unlikely. But I'd love a pet spam Necromancer. We've got the singular powerful pet Summoner. Now let Necro spam expendable minions.

Honestly, predicting the next jobs beyond roles is pretty difficult.

Presuming Blue Mage doesn't count, and given that they don't double up on jobs, the next two jobs should be Caster DPS and Healer. Tank just got a job, and Melee DPS is at four already. Ranged DPS just got a job too even though it's only at three. Beyond that though? Healers could be anything. Of the three healers we currently have (White, Scholar, Astro) two of them are basically made up for this game (Scholar/Astro) as there aren't really any past jobs that work the way they do (yes, Scholar is a named job that uses books, but it's not especially healer oriented previously nor does it have a summon, and Astro for all that there is a FFT job that shares the name doesn't really have much else to it). And in FF healing is either White Magic or items, no major exceptions (there are summons that do healing now and then, Blue Mages do it with White Wind, and then sometimes other odds and ends). Of possible White Magic using jobs not technically in the game whatever they do is going to be made up anyways. We could get Devout/Sage/whatever but it wouldn't really matter. If it's Items it's Chemist, but there isn't really any reason to jump to Chemist in particular.

So in short if we get a healer it's looking like Chemist, something that uses White Magic, a twist on a past job like Geomancer, or a made up job like Astro/Gunbreaker. The pool is a bit too wide to guess. And with Magic DPS? It's basically the same deal. Everything that uses something other than White Magic could fit the role. We could easily see Sage or Magus, for instance. Or a brand new caster. In terms of magic we probably won't see an item user, but there are spell items in FF so it wouldn't be too out there for us to get an offensive item user. Item Lore works on offensive items too after all, so they could throw something like that in.

It really makes it hard to predict. And I don't really buy into the whole "tech" theme that people are pushing for the next expansion. Neither Gunbreaker or Dancer really are dark themed after all, and Red Mage isn't terribly Eastern themed. In terms of jobs that Yoshida has mentioned there is an Eastern caster of some sort, so I wouldn't be surprised to see one or two of those in Geomancer and Onmyouji/Oracle (FFT's original translation). So I guess that's arguably my guess, but it also seems odd to have new jobs like that so tightly themed when previous ones really aren't.

I will like something that expands outside of the Normal FF games and into the side FF games such as Grandshelt Knight which is Rain's Job in Final Fantasy Brave Exvius as a DPS melee Job with Crimson Nova as the LB3.

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/...20161001054529

Crimson Nova LB
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lttr6srV2Rw

Chemist and Beastmaster.