Anyone else concerned by the extremely low skill ceiling?

If the skill ceiling is that low we must all be lalafells then :v

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Originally Posted by Penthea

But you use exceptional players as an example for this. You can't use only these people as an indication for how difficult content is.

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Difficulty is indeed subjective, and that's why I am comparing the difficulty of current Savage to the difficulty of pre-Creator Savage, so that we can have an objective analysis on the matter.
If clear rates increasing more than twentyfold and clear times decreasing from multiple weeks to one day for the world first groups aren't a clear sign of the content getting easier, I don't know what would be. It looks pretty obvious to me.

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Originally Posted by Penthea

You could say the same about normal to ex, normal to savage, even ex to savage a lot of the time but I don't see you complaining about this at all.

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That's because the total amount of time needed to clear the rest of the content is so small it's almost irrelevant.

For example, if clearing Titania normal takes 15 minutes on average and Titania extreme takes 2 hours, although that's eight times as much, it's still just 2 hours in the end.
On the other hand, if clearing Titan Savage takes 15 hours and UCOB takes 100 hours, that's only seven times as much, but the total amount of time needed is much greater, and will scare away most of the playerbase because they are not used to investing that much time on a single fight.

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Originally Posted by Wegente

most of the playerbase because they are not used to investing that much time on a single fight.

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How is that a problem? Most of the playerbase is not the targeted audience for ultimate.

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Originally Posted by aiqa

How is that a problem? Most of the playerbase is not the targeted audience for ultimate.

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Because it wouldn't be the first time SE nerfs the difficulty of something after the playerbase complains about it.
Steps of Faith, BLM's Enochian and DRG's Life of the Dragon in 3.0, Midas A6S, Stormblood MNK Tornado Kick rotation, 4.1 WAR rotation, healer DPS rotations, tanks enmity generation... the list goes on and on.

this post is literally made on every single MMO at some point.

The forum is full of threads like this and an equal number of threads from people who just want everything handed to them with no effort on their part. This game was intentionally made for the more casual players. Personally I would enjoy some more challenging content. Maybe something that takes actual thought, not just dodging every other second. I doubt it will happen, though.

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Originally Posted by Zarabeth

The forum is full of threads like this and an equal number of threads from people who just want everything handed to them with no effort on their part. This game was intentionally made for the more casual players. Personally I would enjoy some more challenging content. Maybe something that takes actual thought, not just dodging every other second. I doubt it will happen, though.

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I'll take "Doesn't actually do Savage" for 500, Alec.

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Originally Posted by Wegente

Then apparently people weren't satisfied anymore with just clearing the normal mode raids and also wanted to take on the challenge of Savage and clear it, so raids were made easier as a result to accomodate those players.

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Do you honestly think if SE didn't want more people in Savage they wouldn't tell those complaining where to get off? They've done it before. Players are going to ask for things. Put the responsibility where it belongs, on the devs who made the choice to change something.

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Originally Posted by Brandedblade

That's not my fault if people don't pace themselves. What I'm saying is that there's more to the game then high end content. If you burn through the other stuff and still feel dissatisfied then why are you still playing?

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That does not mean burning through the content.
In my own experience, I've played since 3.2 or 3.3 so almost 4 years now, and I logged in pretty much every day for the most part of that time, doing a bit of everything at my own pace, around one to two hours after work. I don't think I've burnt through the game at all. And there are people that are on the game since its launch(es).

Besides this specific forum post is about gameplay and high end content to an extent. It's not trying to say there's nothing else to do in the game at all.