Have we given up on SCH?

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Originally Posted by kobe-sabi

SE removed some abilities from Selene, but they replaced them with more updated ones and rename them. i forgot i was angry when they did that, but i changed my tune when i saw they made 2.0 Selene better. Sry all i see is blood, this expansion has made me drop healing and War jobs i have enjoyed since i pick this game up in 2013.

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I see what you mean, though that falls more under a tweak in my eyes, since you didnt "lose" the skill just got a better version, sorta like Ninja and shade shift. But regardless I can agree with you on how ShB has been. Story wise, it's great, and some jobs were fixed for the better, but I feel some of the jobs are still not as they could be. WHM finally fits its niche of pure healer, but it's still has a few issues, going 20+ levels until you get a secondary lily skill is just wrong. Now that SCH has Energy Drain again Sacred Soil is back to being meh, the heals are good, but cant be spammed, and Seraph doesn't feel as impactful as Bahamut. And AST, I wouldn't know where to start, the heals appear good in the tool tips, but they just feel so weak. Bard is a shell of its former self, and ninja was a disaster on release. I still like the game, but I hope they can fix some of these issues.

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Originally Posted by Dzian

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I agree this is how it should be done or what is ideal. Honestly, this is what I also liked back in 2.0 for healers, I felt SCH and WHM had a similar kind of relationship, it was great.

And I think you hit the nail on the head talking about how giving strengths and weaknesses to each job is a better way to balance and keeps it more entertaining.

One of the things I remark about loving 2.0 SCH is that it hard a hard time with pure heals, so I had to be more creative to compensate, whilst WHM got to be healiest, the moment SE corrected this, SCH became OP because of its other advantages and WHM being the healiest was made redundant. I think this is kinda where healer homogenisation started, but I'm HW wasn't as noticeable. It is an evolution of 2.0 SCH I am pushing for.

But I am also figuring this would be contrary to SE's current direction. Maybe they find that too hard to maintain with everything else their team is doing. I have been willing to compromise at "make it fun". If savage and similar level of endgame is where the fine tuning of balanced matters, I figure keep the fine tuning there.

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Originally Posted by Saefinn

I agree this is how it should be done or what is ideal. Honestly, this is what I also liked back in 2.0 for healers, I felt SCH and WHM had a similar kind of relationship, it was great.

And I think you hit the nail on the head talking about how giving strengths and weaknesses to each job is a better way to balance and keeps it more entertaining.

One of the things I remark about loving 2.0 SCH is that it hard a hard time with pure heals, so I had to be more creative to compensate, whilst WHM got to be healiest, the moment SE corrected this, SCH became OP because of its other advantages and WHM being the healiest was made redundant. I think this is kinda where healer homogenisation started, but I'm HW wasn't as noticeable. It is an evolution of 2.0 SCH I am pushing for.

But I am also figuring this would be contrary to SE's current direction. Maybe they find that too hard to maintain with everything else their team is doing. I have been willing to compromise at "make it fun". If savage and similar level of endgame is where the fine tuning of balanced matters, I figure keep the fine tuning there.

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And that leads to the problem SCH now shares with WHM, after their guttings they both feel like shells of themselves in lower level content. Low levels shouldn't need to suffer and look at how many "WHM feels incomplete" threads there were in SB for people leveling WHM. AST ironically feels the most complete at low levels despite its flaws.

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Originally Posted by Rosa_Frandlia

And that leads to the problem SCH now shares with WHM, after their guttings they both feel like shells of themselves in lower level content. Low levels shouldn't need to suffer and look at how many "WHM feels incomplete" threads there were in SB for people leveling WHM. AST ironically feels the most complete at low levels despite its flaws.

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Whilst I didn’t really browse the forums, my Cohealer is a WHM, so I am familiar with how things were with them. The answer surely would have been to fix WHM and not break AST (albeit I think there were still problems with in this game regardless).

But the fact AST feels most complete and despite it being behind SCH and WHM is why I’m seriously considering it as my healer job. It still has plenty of its own problems, but I am less bored playing it. I just got it to 80. This is after a long time of having SCH and WHM levelled and not really touching AST, because it always felt weird to play coming from a SCH main.

SCH sucks for soloing. You have 2 less attack spells that others have since the changes. Don't have spell that can attack more than one monster at a time like the other 2 healers have. Have no buffs to make up for it like ast has. When I leveled mine to 80 found it completely boring and not fun to play.

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Originally Posted by hynaku

SCH sucks for soloing. You have 2 less attack spells that others have since the changes. Don't have spell that can attack more than one monster at a time like the other 2 healers have. Have no buffs to make up for it like ast has. When I leveled mine to 80 found it completely boring and not fun to play.

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So, while I don't disagree completely, SCH does have an AoE ability in Art of War. It's not as good as miasama II, imo, but it is the best AoE on healers in terms of damage atm.

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Originally Posted by Billythepancake

So, while I don't disagree completely, SCH does have an AoE ability in Art of War. It's not as good as miasama II, imo, but it is the best AoE on healers in terms of damage atm.

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dps might be nice, but i still find my WHM's Holy a more fun spam, and the stun is nifty too. I know it sounds strange since its literally tapping one button for either class but the difference is still impressive when actually playing it.

I miss old scholar so much >< I legit haven't been playing ff as much because of the changes- other classes are fun don't get me wrong, I tried to find workarounds, but, still sucks I have to to begin with.

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Originally Posted by Kinks

dps might be nice, but i still find my WHM's Holy a more fun spam, and the stun is nifty too. I know it sounds strange since its literally tapping one button for either class but the difference is still impressive when actually playing it.

I miss old scholar so much >< I legit haven't been playing ff as much because of the changes- other classes are fun don't get me wrong, I tried to find workarounds, but, still sucks I have to to begin with.

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Oh, I hate the SCH changes too, but was just saying SCH having no AoE was wrong, because it does have it, it's just much more boring now.

Sch doesn't have a attack that's hits more than one monster at a time. Sch doesn't have miasma II. Only aoe it has at level 80 is Biolysis that has a potency of 60. Whm has dia that has a potency of 120. It might had miasma before 5.0. Sch is weakest out of the 3 healers. Only one with miasma is the summoner not the scholar. Scholar doesn't have bane that spreads it out to other enemies. Like the summoner has. Only attack spells scholar has is broil, energy drain, and biolysis at level 80.

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Originally Posted by hynaku

Sch doesn't have a attack that's hits more than one monster at a time. Sch doesn't have miasma II. Only aoe it has at level 80 is Biolysis that has a potency of 60. Whm has dia that has a potency of 120. It might had miasma before 5.0. Sch is weakest out of the 3 healers. Only one with miasma is the summoner not the scholar. Scholar doesn't have bane that spreads it out to other enemies. Like the summoner has. Only attack spells scholar has is broil, energy drain, and biolysis at level 80.

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You have Art of War, my dude. Please put it on your hotbar.
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