Disrespectful and Dismissive.

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Originally Posted by Lagomorph

It depends entirely on what you consider to be "replacing."

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Not interested in semantics or cross-expansion examples. I'm clearly talking about patch 5.1 and future possibilities. They've demonstrated that they are willing to make major changes to jobs, at least with NIN.

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Originally Posted by Lagomorph

Assumption: You think that having older spells will prevent SE from creating newer more interesting spells, for whatever reason. Also that kinda contradicts you saying that you "don't know what they're planning."

Assumption: "The focus of SHB has clearly been healer balance and making them blank slates." If they said anything about "blank slates" please point me into the direction where I can find where this was said. Otherwise, it is your assumption that "blank slates" was their goal. It is my assumption that they just do not know how healing works in this game. Neither of us can prove either of these claims.

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Yes, yes, nothing is provable. Everything can be reduced to an assumption. I'm not interested in philosophy.

I don't know what they're planning. This is observation:
1. Healers are more balanced than ever. (5.05)
2. Healer basic DPS abilities have been reduced to a single target, a dot and an aoe spell. This is obviously intentional, they are not monkeys punching their keyboards until something happens.
3. They do not want healers to have too many DPS abilities. In case you couldn't tell.

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Originally Posted by Lagomorph

In my mind, this is a question of asking for what we want most vs asking for what we are most likely to get.

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Yes, and I'm saying ask for what we want most. Because if the old skills come back, we're not getting anything else. Btw, if they're doing it, it's not only gonna be SCH - I would argue that reverting the healers to a previous expansion is less likely than adding a new skill.

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Originally Posted by Lagomorph

I don't see how either of these are open to interpretation and they essentially carry the same implications. Perhaps you meant differently from what you said, but I'm not a mind reader, sorry.

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"They deleted your abilities to make room for new ones" directly implies that they deleted the abilities with the purpose of replacing them with something else.
"Keeping Bane, Miasma and Shadowflare precludes SCH from getting anything better in the future" implies that we could potentially get new abilities, but not if we get these 3 abilities back. Because observation says that Squeenix does not want healers to have many DPS abilities.

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Originally Posted by Gestahl-Beoulve

Judging from all previous posts, I'm now convinced that LariaKirin is actually the healer design dev defending the mess that is now healers.

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Aye... I'm all for dissenting opinions, yet when one is yelling their truths and twisting words through all threads... It's gotten to the point that they're spamming the forums until they force people to agree

Kinda making all threads the LariaKirin show of 'I'm right and this is why, agree or you're wrong.'

And sure the changes are more "optimal" but calling out what people enjoy on a game like if they are monsters for not playing the same way they do is so closed minded, that's the whole idea of having a bazillion different jobs / classes / heroes / etc. on any game, so you can find and play what you like, not everything has to cater to your tastes, hell, I hate DoTs, but trust me I'll rally behind SCH asking to have them back, because that's what they like.

If you wanted consistency and simplicity go play WHM that's the whole idea.

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Originally Posted by LariaKirin

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2. Healer basic DPS abilities have been reduced to a single target, a dot and an aoe spell. This is obviously intentional, they are not monkeys punching their keyboards until something happens.
3. They do not want healers to have too many DPS abilities. In case you couldn't tell.

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why cant we have different damage spell like we used to though id like as a sch to feel different from white mage i picked sch in arr for our damage abilities and pet management and both are gone i cant control embrace and pet skills are just ogcds and why cant i have the damage skills, why do we have to be the same

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Originally Posted by tikiwiki

why cant we have different damage spell like we used to though id like as a sch to feel different from white mage i picked sch in arr for our damage abilities and pet management and both are gone i cant control embrace and pet skills are just ogcds and why cant i have the damage skills, why do we have to be the same

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That's one thing that is making me sad. Even Whm lost a attack and I liked Aero 3. Astro lost all their time spells and card moves, and Sch lost about 4 attacks and usefull faries.

It seems like the devs way of balancing is gutting and taking away anything that made the classes fun, and if you say it's to make room for new moves later on then why remove them now. We need to deal with this for 2 years......2 damn years of this.

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Originally Posted by KanameYuuki

And sure the changes are more "optimal" but calling out what people enjoy on a game like if they are monsters for not playing the same way they do is so closed minded, that's the whole idea of having a bazillion different jobs / classes / heroes / etc. on any game, so you can find and play what you like, not everything has to cater to your tastes, hell, I hate DoTs, but trust me I'll rally behind SCH asking to have them back, because that's what they like.

If you wanted consistency and simplicity go play WHM that's the whole idea.

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Agreed. I love WHM, but AST's unpredictability and flexible support kit is what drove me to it, I didn't sign up to be WHM, but with a slot machine.

treat others like you wanna be treatted by them right?
I mean people havent been anything else but disrespectful anyway xD

Ast is so clunky to play now. Bad class design focusing on numbers instead of fun gameplay. Recipe for failure. Even the Japanese players agree.

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Originally Posted by Sathona

treat others like you wanna be treatted by them right?
I mean people havent been anything else but disrespectful anyway xD

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Not exactly true. Maybe a handful out there have been disrespectful, but I've seen a lot of constructive posts and threads without insulting or disrespecting the devs. And punishing the many for the deeds of the few is not a really good way to go. ;)

If you wanna do the "treat others like you wanna be treated" then the community has given a lot of communication for the devs to see about the issues as well as suggestions on how to improve on said issues. So if we offer them communication so they ought offer us communication in kind? That's exactly what this thread is complaining about, so your logic works, even if your assumptions were wrong.

Complaints aren't disrespectful in themselves. I worked years in complaints, most of the stuff I've seen on the forum I'd have found to be reasonable if I was on the receiving end, because they're not being nasty about it, they're giving good detail as to why they're not happy and giving answers as to what would make them happier.

Welp i've asked 3 questions regarding healers 1 for each hlr here is hoping 1 gets picked \o/