Coils of Bahamut... and its inconsistent challenge level.

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Originally Posted by Silverquick

So you end up in your own little world... telling yourself what you wanted to hear anyway... regardless of whether it actually reflects any other opinions or reality in game.

You're just telling yourself what you wanted to hear anyway...

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Seem to be mentioning yourself in this post OP. I think it's best if you reread alot of the posts in here, you'll find that not a single one has ever said what you believed them to say, and you'd realise that they have all been constructive reasons for why your opinion shouldn't happen.

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Originally Posted by Settiesama

Seem to be mentioning yourself in this post OP. I think it's best if you reread alot of the posts in here, you'll find that not a single one has ever said what you believed them to say, and you'd realise that they have all been constructive reasons for why your opinion shouldn't happen.

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At this point I'm convinced it's a troll.

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Originally Posted by DaikiKiyoshi

At this point I'm convinced it's a troll.

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I'm not. I think it is yet another person that wants everything without any effort.

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Originally Posted by Istaru

I'm not. I think it is yet another person that wants everything without any effort.

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Yeah totally, I'm just a totally in it for instant gratification,

....and rewards with no effort.... for going through a level 50 dungeon where you can't get anything relevant to you at level 60.... you sure nailed that one.

Wow you guys really just are that out of touch with the game and reality... and where it is currently...

Because getting 50th level gear at level 60 is like uber and stuff so I can be like you right?

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Originally Posted by Silverquick

Yeah totally, I'm just a totally in it for instant gratification,

....and rewards with no effort.... for going through a level 50 dungeon where you can't get anything relevant to you at level 60.... you sure nailed that one.

Wow you guys really just are that out of touch with the game and reality... and where it is currently...

Because getting 50th level gear at level 60 is like uber and stuff so I can be like you right?

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Yet again you failed to read replies. Glamour, items for dyeable glamour, Music sheets, Story, Tails. We have said again and again that there are reasons to do this still.

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Originally Posted by Silverquick

Yeah totally, I'm just a totally in it for instant gratification,

....and rewards with no effort.... for going through a level 50 dungeon where you can't get anything relevant to you at level 60.... you sure nailed that one.

Wow you guys really just are that out of touch with the game and reality... and where it is currently...

Because getting 50th level gear at level 60 is like uber and stuff so I can be like you right?

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That begs the question why aren't you running level 60 content then? Tell us, since apparently we're all so wrong, what exactly is it that you want?

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Originally Posted by Istaru

I'm not. I think it is yet another person that wants everything without any effort.

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To be fair: I can "understand" him to an extend - he seems fairly new to the game, it appears he hasnt done any content that we'd consider "endgame" (as in: EX-primals, Savage raids) and is therefore ofc used to content that is cleared and done within 30 minutes and mostly without any wipes.

And then he sticks his head into content that he expectes to be overgeared for and has to face mechanics that cant be ignored, where the party has actually to try and mistakes get punished. I can even understand why he'd be upset when a bunch of people is telling him "Listen, this content isnt to bad, you just have to do it right" when it appears he cant do that (or dont want to)

Thats the problem with normal dungeons in this game being so extremly easy - it creates a huge gap between "real raids" (no, 24 man and Alex NM do NOT count, sorry) and day to day content. And if you're not aware of this gap and have accepted that its simply there because the game is trying to meet two demands (casual playing for a few hours, but still progressing - and the wish for challenges) - you might stumble about it.

However, everyone here tried to point that out to OP - with the emphasis, that they like having challenges in the game aswell. So either OP comes around to the same way of thinking or they accept that there is content that isnt for them then - just like a friend of mine accepted that crafting isnt for him or how I accepted that fishing is the WORST. As long as a majority of people doesnt agree with something, its likely that that something isnt broken. You dont need to have your head in the clouds (like OP claims we do) to like having a challenge in the game. Even if that challenge doesnt provide you with relevant rewards anymore - except for the story, that will always be relevant and the feeling of "Yes, we (finally) cleared this! Good job everyone!"

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Originally Posted by Silverquick

Yeah totally, I'm just a totally in it for instant gratification,

....and rewards with no effort.... for going through a level 50 dungeon where you can't get anything relevant to you at level 60.... you sure nailed that one.

Wow you guys really just are that out of touch with the game and reality... and where it is currently...

Because getting 50th level gear at level 60 is like uber and stuff so I can be like you right?

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Now, beside all the relevant rewards that have been mentioned several times - glamour, music, in a sense even the gear is still useful when leveling an alt character (Final Coil gera can easly last you til level 56 or so!), upgrade items for gear thats used by alt characters, making Khloe happy, a minion and a title from the achievments, story... (actually the story was always the real reward for me - I never cared about the gear) - some people might enjoy the challenge for the challenge itself. They dont need a carrot on the stick. They dont need any artifical reason. They just want to challenge themself and see "hey, can I/we do this?"

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Originally Posted by Silverquick

Because getting 50th level gear at level 60 is like uber and stuff so I can be like you right?

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Apparently you can't get that 50th level gear so...good luck being uber?

#GlamourIsTheTrueEndgame #GitGud

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Originally Posted by Silverquick

Because getting 50th level gear at level 60 is like uber and stuff so I can be like you right?

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You get lvl 50 gear because it is a lvl 50 raid. Plenty of people have also pointed out several reasons why others still go into the Bind Coils, gear for glamor (A lot of the dreadwyrm and allagan gear are really beautiful.) Music, tails, and the nice story attached to it. Expecting SE to make a lvl 50 raid give you lvl 60 gear cause you went in unsynced, well that's honestly silly and kinda laughable. If you want lvl 60 rewards, do the lvl 60 content.

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Originally Posted by Silverquick

YSnip

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I'm just gonna break this down for you okay, if you want a challenge do it sync'd minimum ilvl there's your challenge, look for it in PF PEOPLE HAVE TOLD YOU THIS YET YOU IGNORE IT. Secondly, if you want it for the "uber cool gear" you can also make the replica gear and still look like a badass, it doesn't even mean you have to do the friggen raid either but then again what'd be the whole point of this thread other then do it? SE won't revamp coil, and they won't do it in SB unless they do a special event (if you can even call it that) like they did with Proto Ultima in Dun Scaith, that's recycled old content that they just threw into a current content raid. That's a perfect example of old coil or run ARF and see some of the old bosses from first and second coil because they have similar mechanics, not that you'd know since you're playing the "pity me card".

I don't get what you're complaining about if you're already 60 getting level 50 gear, what do you thinks gonna happen it's going to scale to 60? Then what would be the point of running 60 dungeons if you're totally new? You outgear content, it's a gear treadmill is this your first MMO? Because you're not answering any questions related to your post in the first place you're out of touch with anyone in this thread honestly, we've all given you constructive feedback then you turned around on everyone sulking like a bab.

And there are rewards for doing 50 dungeons if you do any roulette's you got tomestones, it's why people still que for stuff at max level such as leveling, trial, 50, and MS roulette, just like how there's orchestration rolls in old coils for rewards as well as glamour. So no it's you that doesn't understand what you're talking about I think you should take a long look at why the game is structured why it is and how SE handles content, come back with something constructive instead of whining.

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