Cleric Stance Discussion - Is it needed?

Anyway, I say remove Cleric Stance and just scale damage off of MND. Cleric is a silly mechanic that just introduces human error such as hitting Cleric Stance twice, or thinking you took it off but it didn't register.

DPSing should, and will, stay as long as our healing is overpowered. But Cleric Stance should go.

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Originally Posted by Adire

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Or IF they go this route, well just finally be able to kick out useless dps which is 90% of the damn community and start pushing out for good numbers. Make people actually WORK instead of slack off and watch netflix while their doing a 123 macro rotation over and over making it take forever. Healers again SHOULD NOT be doing DPS's job it makes no damn sense and its a stupid thing that its a huge rampant problem in this game. Everytime I heal with my AST im doing wayy too much dps to the point that my tank has to burn cooldowns so i can heal him to full and dps quickly again because our 2 dps's are doing so bad that im forced to do so in order for us to burn trash mobs!

They need to desperately fix this, because healers are really not the issue here, its the dps that are huge in the game that litterally attribute nothing.

Until we have more than just heals then healers will do dps. We should have enhancements, enfeebling, debuffs and buffs to keep us busy outside of just healing. The closest we get to that is SCH and AST. Healers are missing spells like phlanx, shell, elemental spikes, blind, paralyze, Barspells, blink, haste, en-spells, boost stat spells etc.

Cleric is a stupid ability and should be removed I think it was lazy to not just let our spells be based on mind.

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Originally Posted by MomomiMomi

Meta comes from knowledge the player has that comes from outside of the game itself. Healers DPSing isn't meta. "The majority of my opponents are using X strategy, therefore Y strategy is advantageous." This is meta.

Healers DPSing simply comes from the fact that healers have nothing else to do. This isn't meta.

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*Facepalm.*

Considering that healer DPS is completely left out of the equation of fights is what makes it meta, not strategic. You guys keep using strategic examples as well.

It's anything outside of the confines of a game. Healers DPSing is not meta, no, as that is within the confines of the game. It is the application (telling healers to DPS in their downtime) as none of the fights take healer DPS into consideration that makes it meta.

Statweights are metagame. Timing your skills together is metagame. MCH not using hypercharge as soon as it comes up and waiting for members' skill to come up requires external knowledge of the game/ coordination between multiple people compensating for the knowledge of each other's cooldowns in a given situation. This is making a decision that has been influenced by external knowledge rather than based on fundamental strategy alone. You may use a meta in a strategy, but that does not make a meta a strategy.

Poker and minesweeper have metas. Hell, even tabletop RPGs like Dungeons and Dragons have metagame.

Meta can be something like picking sides in fighting games or whether you sit close to an opponent or far away. Counter picking is another, and common, example of a meta. As I said, it is a broad term and we will agree to disagree. You guys are mistaking them like a sphere and a circluar- similar, but not the same. From your perspectives, you can't see the 3D over the 2D.

remove cleric stand completely
give Lost City of Amdapor HM Kuribu ability, with lower CD (yes shxt happen like when i try to turn off CS, but itt didnt register becoz of lag/latency)
changing healing skill into dmg skill also reduce some inconvenience in switching hotbar with CS on and off, at least I separate Dmg and healing skill into two different hotbar
this will encourage more healer try to do dmg in dung, yet, i still hope CS/high dmg ability in dungeon/raid/trial is completely remove, and replace by buff skill

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Originally Posted by Masekase_Hurricane

Cleric is a stupid ability and should be removed I think it was lazy to not just let our spells be based on mind.

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As much as I agree on this for the unnecessary skillbloat, its probably some kind of oversight that they did and have to go back to the root of the programming to fix which they probably don't wanna do. On paper it should be an easy fix but I'm not a programmer so I can't speak liberally about the difficulty of it.

cleric stance should just be something unique to one healer or removed completely. (doesn't necessarily have to be white mage). Because this skill exist for all healing type jobs there is nothing for those who enjoy pure support gameplay. (the reason the whole should i dps as healer argument even exist is because people want a playstyle that no longer exist within the game) Essentially all healers are pigeonholed into being hybrid dps. They should have something like channeling or castable buffs that you can use during downtime that are short duration to increase your groups abilities whether it is to help tank with mitigation or to boost your party member's dps. Cleric stance is a bad skill that not only homogenizes the healer jobs, but its concept is lazy as well.

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Originally Posted by Empress

Make people actually WORK

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Buddy it's a game. If I wanna WORK I might as well go do an actual job 'cause then I'd get paid instead of doing the paying. Like what.

I love cleric stance ... it's like heads up to know my co healer is dpsing and I can watch everyone's HP instead or vice versa. I love stance dancing, it gives me dynamic and thrill. /shrug
I don't mind if healers don't like dpsing, each to their own. I've never had a poor or failed run cause a healer refused to dps through a roulette or whatever. Extra 5 minutes in a dungeon won't be end of the world.

My only issue with cleric stance is sometimes I'm too quick when clicking it or pressing a key, so usually what I press after takes priority and I either a) heal in cleric stance or b) DPS out of cleric stance. There's like a very very short delay and it can mess me up a lot. I wish it was more like [use DPS skill > get DPS buff > lose DPS buff if you use a skill that isn't a DPS skill] y'know? The switching itself is difficult for me because it disrupts my rhythm and I just end up fumbling around instead of doing what I wanted to.