Is our sub fee not enought

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Originally Posted by bswpayton

They arent selling script gear, are anything of significance so why does it matter, this game can have both and it should have both cash sop and sub, because at the end of the day you get everything that matters from paying a sub. Everything in the mog station is just extra and those whom have the money can get it just like any other service, thats like saying if I pay a gym fee I should get free drinks , free tanning , free everything just because I pay my membership nothing works like that. Alot of things you pay an up front cost and everything else has an additional fee I dont see the problem here.

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you know, I am starting to look up names of ppl that are supporting mog station and I am quiet shock by their low numbers.
https://www.fflogs.com/rankings/character/2610781/8/

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Originally Posted by ElHeggunte

I wonder if the people always fussing about the CS also loudly complain at at movie theater when they're asked to pay for snacks in addition to their ticket. Or at a restaurant when they're asked to pay extra for appetizers.

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seems like ppl want stuff that added to the mogstation are the one also not doin the content.
https://www.fflogs.com/rankings/character/331518/13/

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Originally Posted by Rita1989

I don't pay a monthly subscription to a movie theater or restaurant.

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No, but that doesn't matter. You're still paying whenever you go to them and if you want anything extra you have to pay for it. If you want, we can pretend that you'd be going to the theater or restaurant at least once a month.

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This more like paying for a gym membership and then them trying to charge you more to get access to exclusive equipment.

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It's having a gym membership and thinking that entitles you to free items from the gym's hobby shop. Your membership lets you use the equipment, if you want largely unnecessary add-ons like bags and shirts, you should expect to pay for it.

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Originally Posted by Lufir

That's a weird comparison. Everyone knows you are paying for a ticket to view a film at a movie theater, not eat candy or popcorn.

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The comparison is fine, and in this case the problem is people not understanding what their subscription fee actually gets them.

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Consider this instead: Would you be upset if[...] What the Mog Station is doing with these new unique emotes or is essentially the same idea.

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No it isn't? It's not even close to the same idea. You can still play FFXIV without paying for any additional services. If it were like your example, you would be charged individually for every single piece of content you did, every time you did it.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

The movie comparison isn't really apt either because the value inflation of the candy is a better deal than Mog Shop, it's $30 for a digital item that has no production cost (it did have development cost of course). If Soda cost $90 it might be a better comparison lol.

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Most CS items are permanent for as long as you keep your account. Snacks last you for as long as it takes you to consume them. I personally see far more value in the price of anything I'd want off of the store.

Well, all this is why I don't buy anything from the mogstation, no matter how much I want it. I was cautiously okay with the concept at first, and I could even have made my peace with some things being mogstation only, rather than in-game first, but the prices are absolutely ludicrous, even for the account-wide items, and just flatly inexcusable for those items which are single-character or consumable.

Like, the cherry trees for $5 might be reasonable if that purchase unlocked them at the calamity salvager for you to buy as many as you liked, or even if it was a pack of five or six of them for that price, but for a single semi-consumable item? Are they insane?

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Originally Posted by ElHeggunte

It's having a gym membership and thinking that entitles you to free items from the gym's hobby shop.

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So, uh...can I take my mog station items home with me, like, outside the actual game? Can I at least take them with me when I switch over to LoL, like I could if I bought a shirt in said hobby shop and went to a different game/gym/whatever?

(Real life products don't compare all too well to digital ones)

To answer the OP question. Apparently our sub fee is not enough.

Including those like myself who pay for additional retainers is also not enough.

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Originally Posted by SundayTrash

seems like ppl want stuff that added to the mogstation are the one also not doin the content.
https://www.fflogs.com/rankings/character/331518/13/

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I'm sorry, what does my Savage progress have to do with the topic at hand? You'd better find some support for your straw man before he blows over.

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Originally Posted by Zojha

So, uh...can I take my mog station items home with me, like, outside the actual game? Can I at least take them with me when I switch over to LoL, like I could if I bought a shirt in said hobby shop and went to a different game/gym/whatever?

(Real life products don't compare all too well to digital ones)

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Whether or not the items are physically tangible or transferable is irrelevant.

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Originally Posted by ElHeggunte

I'm sorry, what does my Savage progress have to do with the topic at hand? You'd better find some support for your straw man before he blows over.




Whether or not the items are physically tangible or transferable is irrelevant.

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Seriously... OP is just throwing her crap at you to try and find something that sticks.

I couldn't find the statement online after an admittedly cursory search, but I seem to recall somewhere that even Blizzard has stated that without revenue from their cash shop, they would have been forced to raise subscription fees to combat increased technology costs and inflated developer salaries. Customer response to that was overwhelmingly negative, so they took the "optional but costs more at the individual level" approach instead.

Basically, development costs for MMOs have gone up substantially in the past ten years and yet player willingness to spend more than $15 a month has remained very inelastic. For what it's worth, I'd rather pay a higher sub fee, but given the omnipresence of quick-and-dirty freemium games that don't require an initial investment to start up, it seems I'm in the minority.

Prices are getting stupid on the cash shop and SE is being very greedy. The price for an emote is now 4x the price of the cheapest one on there. Personally I don't understand players that agree with this. It is especially annoying when they have now started half assing content. I.e lets not add a new trial and just change a boss in a raid.

Same with the physical collectors;
Collectors Edition Heavensward $129
Collectors Edition Stormblood $199

Whats the next one gonna cost $270?

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Originally Posted by ElHeggunte

Whether or not the items are physically tangible or transferable is irrelevant.

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In all your comparisons so far, any additional products were separable from the actual product you're buying and could be used without them. That's not the case for mog station items however. So the comparisons are flawed.