No. There are only a few reasons why I don't Butchers Block as OT, and they're because the MT is in Deliverance/NoGrit/Sword Oath and is DPSing and their DPS outweighs the 50~80 DPS I gain from using my BB combo (almost 3K BB Crits bro). Also if the MT specifically asks me not to butchers block in my opener I'll just double Storms Eye. If I'm ripping aggro it's because one of us is not paying attention to the threat meters, and it's usually always the MT. The MT should be doing everything they can to keep that from happening. Warrior MTs NEVER have problems with losing aggro if they do their opener right. Heck, they can even be in deliverance and never lose aggro to a BBing OT if played right.
If the MT just NEEDS to pull in Deliverance/NoGrit/SwordOath then bring a long a Ninja. Aggro should never be a problem and if it is the MT sucks and needs to "git gud" or get better gear.
Tanks using their enmity combo while being OT
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02-11-2016, 03:07 AMLiyonn
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02-11-2016, 04:06 AMIagainstiWell, bro, my SE crits are almost 3k too without the added enmity modifier, so again BB combos are not good when you're OT and even though maintaining aggro is the MT's job, you're not making it easier and your reasoning of miniscule damage increase is not a good platform. Heed your own "git gud" advice ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Liyonn
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02-11-2016, 04:14 AMInstrumentality
It is like a revolving door of people not reading the thread and making the exact same wrong points that the previous ten people have made.
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02-11-2016, 09:28 AMPhoeniciaThis is why, friend, you should do what I do in these forums...... Bring a huge big bag of popcorn and your favorite drink as you read through the pages. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Instrumentality
@Whoever thinks BB is all that jazz... It's 10 potency higher than SE. Yep, only 10.... Maim being 10 lower than Skull Sunder is why the combo costs 20 less potency. And 20 potency over 6 GCDs hurts all of no one... really. Specially if the others don't have to worry about you ripping hate (and you popping defiance and/or CDs to stay alive). -
02-12-2016, 05:41 AMGameplayzero
In this topic:
People who truly want to optimize vs selfish players.
MT: "Can you tone it down on the BB please?"
OT: "Can you tone it down on the badness?" *cleaves the raid*.
Lets just give BB a frontal positional. Surely then the people who say that the OT ripping hate (by spamming BB mindlessly) should be MT will be made easier if they already are in the front of the boss right? Triggers a proc for more damage if cleaved.
Sorry i'm not usually this sarcastic and rude, but some of the post here just have me a bit salty lol. People forget this is an MMO not a MSPO. Teamwork is often overlooked. -
02-12-2016, 05:52 AMIagainstiThe reason we got this at lvl. 50, and not 30. it is the Marauder/Warrior end all-be all ability.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phoenicia
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02-12-2016, 05:56 AMkarateorangutangThis is interesting. Although you'd see some people getting cleaved to get that extra damage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gameplayzero
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02-12-2016, 06:03 AMGameplayzeroif there is anything to take away from this forum, I think a good chunk of players would definitely do that. No matter if it was a 5% more potency boost. Most likely blaming the healer if they died.Quote:
Originally Posted by karateorangutang
but off topic, having OT positionals would be very interesting in theory. Idk how well the reception would be depending on how many positional the tanks would have. I'd be all for a few specific moves or "combo enders" designed to be like that in the future but only a few.
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02-12-2016, 06:08 AMIagainstiGood idea, bad integration.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gameplayzero
Problem with this is, sometimes as a tank, you have to dodge or move fast inside a combo(lower end- dodging a succubus' thunder casts, high end? Dragon gaze) where the fastest route is through the Boss/Mob sprite. I would lose that attack by moving out of the "front" positional. Where now when I'm running under the Minotaur's legs to dodge his Swing attack and still landing a BB, I'd have to eat it to land BB and wish for a proc to reward me for being a bad tank for eating dodge-able damage? -
02-12-2016, 06:16 AMGameplayzerowell the post you quoted was mainly just a bad joke. People doing mindless BB spam are most likely going to be tanking if they rip aggro and soon will be in front of the boss anyways lol. Was me just being sarcastic since thats what MT warriors do if they have another warrior as OT who actually applies storms eye. Just BB when they can.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iagainsti
Now the second post was me being legitimate. But I forgot that the issue is that you can't hit those positionals if you are MTing in your dps stance. Which really sucks. I mean you can argue thats a way to make it so tanks still do less damage in comparison but eh. I guess the balancing thing would be to make the potency increase from the positionals a lot better so that its still worthwhile for OT in dps stance? But that could come with it fair share of problems as well :/. And I can't just say specifically make the OT have positionals cause thats overly complicated to design imo. Like how Ravana specifically pelts the OT during a phase. In a fantasy world that would be a nice way to do it, but thats not how it is. There would have be a lot of work around to this.
But with some people hating on tank damage as it is, giving them pseudo dps mechanics might just make some of the fanbase even angrier if tank damage doesn't get nerfed that hard next patch.