If tank damage is now based on VIT, why do healers still have Cleric Stance?

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Originally Posted by Alahra

I don't find Cleric Stance fun but I still DPS. It's a frustrating skill because of occasional Cleric Stance lag causing double toggles and the like, and then you're locked out of healing for 10-seconds, which can be a total pain if your tank just sat in an AoE or something. It's a sort of frustration that isn't fun quite often for me. It used to bother me less before they moved most oGCD heals to potency base, as you could use them to fix other people's mistakes if things were going smoothly and you just toggled Cleric Stance prior to someone taking avoidable damage or something. Now I find it to be a lot less fun than it used to be.

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Simply, did you mean being a healer is not fun at all? ^^;

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Originally Posted by Fatestorm

...What, honestly, is the difference here?

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This is a super big difference, now every great tank has to use STR instead of VIT but healers never use INT instead of MND.
Suppose what base of VIT means STR is no more a concern to tanks. just like INT not a concern to healers.

So it is helping the tanks but not nerfing them! ^^;

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Originally Posted by Nicobo

Simply, did you mean being a healer is not fun at all? ^^;

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No, I still enjoy healing. I've switched to WHM from SCH in HW and I've been having fun with its new tools. There are some changes in HW that have made me enjoy healing less than I used to, though.

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Originally Posted by Alahra

No, I still enjoy healing. I've switched to WHM from SCH in HW and I've been having fun with its new tools. There are some changes in HW that have made me enjoy healing less than I used to, though.

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I see. Sorry I read "that isn't fun quite often for me" then "Now I find it to be a lot less fun than it used to be." so I got you wrong. ^^;
By the way, when I have a tank sit in aoe during big pull, I give-up DPS and just force him alive.
Sometime I think is this guy want to wipe in the first pull then give reason to rage quit for the undesired roulette dungeon?
But I am sorry, as a healer, I don't let him die ^^;

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Originally Posted by Nicobo

By the way, when I have a tank sit in aoe during big pull, I give-up DPS and just force him alive.
Sometime I think is this guy want to wipe in the first pull then give reason to rage quit for the undesired roulette dungeon?
But I am sorry, as a healer, I don't let him die ^^;

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You're misunderstanding the situation I was talking about. It wasn't a tank that is regularly standing in AoEs, but rather one that does so right after I toggle Cleric Stance on (whether it's because of lag, not paying attention, or whatever). If I've got a tank that's doing so regularly, of course I stop trying to use Cleric Stance.

Forcing tanks to wear Vit was more of a buff to healers than to tanks.

If want cleric stance altered too, that's just being greedy! :P kidding

As it stands, healers already do more damage in certain situations than actual dps. If gonna make cleric stance obsolete, then lets just make plds have all oaths at the same time, wars have defiance/deliverance both at once, and darks can just well have the grit penalty removed I guess?

But this was never about having someone trying to make sense about things right? :P

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Originally Posted by Cherie

Forcing tanks to wear Vit was more of a buff to healers than to tanks.

If want cleric stance altered too, that's just being greedy! :P kidding

As it stands, healers already do more damage in certain situations than actual dps. If gonna make cleric stance obsolete, then lets just make plds have all oaths at the same time, wars have defiance/deliverance both at once, and darks can just well have the grit penalty removed I guess?

But this was never about having someone trying to make sense about things right? :P

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that is not compareable because even if they remove cleric stance you can't make damage and heal at the same time because of the global cooldown. a tank on the other hand can deal damage and can tank the monsters at the same time, because tanking is not restricted by the gcd and you do both anyway at the same time anyway.

next time try to make sense about things please

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Originally Posted by Tint

next time try to make sense about things please

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The sass. Holy moly.

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Originally Posted by Waliel

I may be missing something here, but removing the only thing that makes DPS risky as a healer would somehow make it riskier?

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With some additional changes, yes

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Originally Posted by Felis

Everytime the healer cast a damage spell he get a debuff that decrease the healing power by 50% during the next 10 sec.

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Originally Posted by Felis

With some additional changes, yes

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That would pretty much kill all DPS.