SE's most difinitive statement yet on parsers

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Originally Posted by Tannlore

Also, Yoshi-P said no parsers in the add-on system in a Interview article. I'll go look it up and post it for you. The add-ons will basically be changes to the HUD pretty much. But don't get your hopes up there.. but who knows, maybe they'll change their minds.

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Actually yoshi said it was fine, he doesnt mind at all if we had addons that displayed more information that we could see, now you are just sprouting crap.

The addons do have to go through SE, but this is mainly if the addons actually break the client in itself, such as using too much memory, you have hopeful thinking :), many people have read the article saying the addons can display more information like parsing.

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Originally Posted by Kaethra

They'd be the first MMO to do it.

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Valve were the first company to insert across-the-board installed DRM into their software. Guess what, it's now considered a feature, and Steam is the one of the biggest online distribution networks in existence.

Enforcing draconian client control is easily sellable as a feature, when a considerable portion of that software's playerbase is locked into a wall-garden operating system, and doesn't have access to those aspects of the client to begin with.

Don't push it. You never know what you'll get in return.

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Originally Posted by Amberyl

This.

I've been in development for over a decade, and a not insignificant part of that time has been spent attempting to address the disruption caused by idiots like this, who believe that their ability to alter something to their own liking is justification enough for doing so. It's pure short-sightedness and self-entitlement, and can have a direct, very damaging result on the financial viability of a product under the right conditions. Sadly, once you lax up in one area, you open the door to everything else, legally.

Every time someone uses a parser as an excuse for illegitimately kick-voting another player from an instance, the chances of that tool being allowed to exist diminish greatly.

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Strange that the most successful mmo and other mmos that are doing fine have parsers, surely someone whos worked in development for over a decade should know this, and yet those games are still running, care to explain that ?

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Originally Posted by raelgun

Actually yoshi said it was fine, he doesnt mind at all if we had addons that displayed more information that we could see, now you are just sprouting crap.

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Old, out of date quote that has been surperseeded by policy statements that have been made since.

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Originally Posted by raelgun

Strange that the most successful mmo and other mmos that are doing fine have parsers, surely someone whos worked in development for over a decade should know this, and yet those games are still running, care to explain that ?

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I wasn't aware that you were privy to Square's design document? If, in contrast to every other MMO company on the market, Square make a decision and run with it, who are you or I to question it. See the earlier post about Valve.

You are not Square. Stop presuming you can overrule their policy statements at will.

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Originally Posted by Amberyl

Valve were the first company to insert across-the-board installed DRM into their software. Guess what, it's now considered a feature, and

Enforcing draconian client control is easily sellable as a feature, when a considerable portion of that software's playerbase is locked into a wall-garden operating system, and doesn't have access to those aspects of the client to begin with.

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Gotta actually say lot of false info here, though steam has DRM, you can actually play most of their games offline, not only that, the way the games are played apart from ubisoft games, you couldnt tell there was any drm to begin with, it doesnt actually restrict you, oh, also, you can actually modify those game files to enhance your experience in the INI files to unlock the FPS caps, increase fidelity, also have you played skyrim? You are free to do what you want in the games youve bought with heavy editing.

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Originally Posted by raelgun

Actually yoshi said it was fine, he doesnt mind at all if we had addons that displayed more information that we could see, now you are just sprouting crap.

The addons do have to go through SE, but this is mainly if the addons actually break the client in itself, such as using too much memory, you have hopeful thinking :), many people have read the article saying the addons can display more information like parsing.

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Spouting my dear, not spRouting. I am not growing anything.

I noticed you completely disregarded my entire direct statement at the sheer asinine nature of your pointless statement to me earlier. Now who is spouting "crap"?

And to not be caught in my own statement. You are correct! I reread the article and that is true. Here's the link for people: http://www.playerattack.com/news/201...-realm-reborn/

Though I suspect with the way things are going, you will not see any sanctioned parsers. That is pure conjecture on my part though.

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Originally Posted by Amberyl

Old, out of date quote that has been surperseeded by policy statements that have been made since.

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actually that article is quite recent, and you might notice we dont have addons released yet, the article was questioning specifically about addons, yet yoshi still said he has no problem, through addons that the playerbase can see more information, please keep upto date on his interviews.

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Originally Posted by raelgun

actually that article is quite recent, and you might notice we dont have addons released yet, the article was questioning specifically about addons, yet yoshi still said he has no problem, through addons that the playerbase can see more information, please keep upto date on his interviews.

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I imagine the real final word would come at Fan Fest during the Q&A panel. I wonder how many hearts will soar or crash based on delicious tidbits of information they will cryptically handout that day.

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Originally Posted by Amberyl

Don't push it. You never know what you'll get in return.

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I already have. I used notepad, chrome, and these forums to parse the data I placed in quotes above.

And using DRM in the argument is really grasping at straws. You have anything else? I'm posting facts based on Parsing and SE and MMOs. I'm not getting any counter facts in return.