Market Wards vs AH

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Originally Posted by ShinChuck

Alas, Wards, while mimicking basic AH functions, have not yet fully realized the concept. People are saying "AH" because that encompasses what they know, the features they want, the *concept* they want realized. If these same concepts are realized, and it's called "Market Wards", it's just unreasonable to say "AH" people wouldn't be happy.

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Do you enjoy contradicting your own signature?

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Actually, you have yet to actually deny they wouldn't ultimately be happy, so I assume then my point stands.

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You have yet to demonstrate that they would be. This thread, to me, demonstrated that there's a very vocal niche of people that would rather die than accept the validity of the market wards, whatever feature was added to them, no matter if that includes every feature of an auction house.
You're very free to draw your own conclusions.

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Originally Posted by Gracious

And can you tell me why you are opposed to just calling it an auction house?

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Did I say that I am?
If they changed the market wards' name right now in "auction house", I wouldn't flinch for a second.
My ONLY point, through this thread, is that it's inefficent, damaging and ultimately utterly idiotic to completely scrap a system that's already in place to implement a system that would be redundant with it, when the first system has already evolved into the basic concept of the second system and can and propbably will evolve further.
This especially in the presence of a game that needs so much urgent work and resources in other aspects.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

Do you enjoy contradicting your own signature?



You have yet to demonstrate that they would be. This thread, to me, demonstrated that there's a very vocal niche of people that would rather die than accept the validity of the market wards, whatever feature was added to them, no matter if that includes every feature of an auction house.
You're very free to draw your own conclusions.

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Oh, the Wards are a basic AH, just not fully realized. No contradiction there.

Would you like to deny my point? No? A "vocal niche" wouldn't accept the Wards as a full-featured AH, but the majority would, just as I've been saying on both accounts repeatedly? I'm glad you agree, we're on the same page then.

They can call it whatever the hell they want as long as it has the full functionality of what most modern MMOs call an "auction house". Right now it is just cumbersome to use.

I think your idea is fine Shin. I don't care what they call it. Auction House is just what I'm familiar with. I would just like to save time by getting what I need quickly instead of walking through seperate wards for each purchase.

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Originally Posted by ShinChuck

Would you like to deny my point? No? A "vocal niche" wouldn't accept the Wards as a full-featured AH, but the majority would, just as I've been saying on both accounts repeatedly? I'm glad you agree, we're on the same page then.

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Unfortunately the concept of "niche" does not include (as some erroneously believe) the concept of "Minority". If this thread is any indication (i hope not, but i'm starting to doubt), then we are in trouble.

Also, even if they were a minority outside of this thread, they would still be extremely annoying and damaging in their vocal bashing of whatever is not an "auction house".

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Originally Posted by Gracious

I think your idea is fine Shin. I don't care what they call it. Auction House is just what I'm familiar with. I would just like to save time by getting what I need quickly instead of walking through seperate wards for each purchase.

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Thank you, I feel that entirely. What I personally would like to see is the ability to buy from the search menu, ditch all the walking for purchases, and use Retainers as banking. But we'll see!

ok I now declare all of us that are now on the same page as being in favor of the "Duck" system!

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Originally Posted by Xzen

Then the majority of this thread is the result of failed communication. I don't think anyone would would say that the Market Wards don't still need work. But asking to scrap them and start over is ridiculous. We could have a "market ward system" with all the features almost everyone wants in just a month or two. Or they could scrap it and we will have an AH with all the same features 6 months from now... >.>

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What do you know about SE time-scales and how long programming takes?

You either
A: Are spouting complete rubbish, spewing it all over this nice shiny new forum, pulling numbers out of a hat and ramming them down our throat as facts that we should believe to be true as much as Coke is Dark Brown (its not its white btw)
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B: Work inside SE or a similiarly sized Production House in a senior capacity with your finger on the pulse of how long it takes to write an AH or update market bored's - erm i mean wards.

Lets have a Poll, do you think he fits into category A or B everyone?

Vote Now to receive the grand prize ! A shiny new AH delivered to a game client near you !

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Originally Posted by Abriael

Unfortunately the concept of "niche" does not include (as some erroneously believe) the concept of "Minority". If this thread is any indication (i hope not, but i'm starting to doubt), then we are in trouble.

Also, even if they were a minority outside of this thread, they would still be extremely annoying and damaging in their vocal bashing of whatever is not an "auction house".

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"Niche" refers to a specific demograph, a specialized market, so I think it fits here, at least well enough to make the point, and does not equate "majority" by definition.

But the second sentence is a sidebar, and we still agree with the premise. I'm really not sure what we're after at this point.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

Unfortunately the concept of "niche" does not include (as some erroneously believe) the concept of "Minority". If this thread is any indication (i hope not, but i'm starting to doubt), then we are in trouble.

Also, even if they were a minority outside of this thread, they would still be extremely annoying and damaging in their vocal bashing of whatever is not an "auction house".

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I would accept the wards as a full featured AH if they could do the following - Not make me zone in and out of 20 different instanced areas to buy each item i want. Then it would be an AH. If you still have to zone around form place to place then its not a fully featured AH - its a Market Ward with a search function.

As for what you call it - i dont care, you could call it the Duck House for all i care, as long as its secretly called the auction house by all normal people.