New Live Letter: YoshiP Comments on Housing Prices

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Originally Posted by Hanabira

You also have to consider the possibility that the 90:10 ratio isnt equal in this case. Im willing to bet that more people with stuff to complain about are vocal on the forums than not. Its like product reviews, not many people think to give a positive review when everything works fine, but if its broken,they'll go out of their way to complain about it. it makes it seem like a minority is a majority.

as seen by the PS4 launch, amazon had like 30% negative reviews for malfunctioning systems. That doesnt mean 30% of the total were broken, just that those with working machines were too busy playing to be on amazon

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It could very well be like that, i wasn't trying to say that everyone who isn't posting is probably unhappy as well. I was just meaning that you can't discount the forum activity just because a thread has a "small" number of likes, since we haven't (and will never) hear from a vast majority of the player-base.

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Originally Posted by Rikkustrife

Cheapest is 8 million for us, and 40 million for others.

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Why does the amount matter? Old servers obviously have different economies and more money in circulation. Yes, it still sucks for legacy players. But on newer servers even First-Class plots for small houses will be 8-10m. Thats still very much affordable for most guilds.

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Originally Posted by Seikijin

Dedication is rewarded. Money sinks are meant for the players that have nothing else to spend money on. Unfortunately you'll never reach that stage as a casual. However there is such a thing as overboard... 100million should have been the cap if u ask me for the most expensive house and NOT server dependent.

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I dedicated the first 3 months to saving gil -- as a casual player, I earned over 700K by myself, which was close to the range of what they said housing would be. They rewarded that with this.

They have created false scarcity with high prices to make people grind limited content for months, plausibly to cover their lack of infrastructure. That isn't a good way to operate a game, and it will hurt them.

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Originally Posted by BillyBones

Why does the amount matter? Old servers obviously have different economies and more money in circulation. Yes, it still sucks for legacy players. But on newer servers even First-Class plots for small houses will be 8-10m. Thats still very much affordable for most guilds.

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It should be affordable to everyone.
Legacy's still can't afford it.
Also, no one wants a doo-doo piece of land, sorry to say.
Again, I am sure no one wants to go bankrupt.

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Originally Posted by Bufkus

Or you know, you could try to make more than 20k a day. That 20k is just from farming/dungeons. You could make a lot more from selling materia, crafted items, ingredients, etc.

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Who is going to do that now? People will be saving every Gil to their name.
No one will buy shit anymore. Not to mention, the market's are already bad as it is.

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Originally Posted by Azurus

Your ilk gives me hemmoroids so just stop. Why should a medium sized guild waste its members money on yhe cheapest shittiest land for a "house" the size of an o
Inn room? It would be different if you could expand once bought but what's the point of blowing all that gil on something sub par? A shack isn't something a fc can feel proud of blowing its members gil on. For most a medium house is incredibly out of reach. Please stop hurting my anus.

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Do we really know how big they are? I don't think they actually showed the actual size. Even the smallest houses might be big enough for a guild. Unless yours is one of those 200 members guilds. But thats your problem.
Sorry for hurting your anus.

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Originally Posted by Azurus

Your ilk gives me hemmoroids so just stop. Why should a medium sized guild waste its members money on yhe cheapest shittiest land for a "house" the size of an o
Inn room? It would be different if you could expand once bought but what's the point of blowing all that gil on something sub par? A shack isn't something a fc can feel proud of blowing its members gil on. For most a medium house is incredibly out of reach. Please stop hurting my anus.

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great point while the super rich farming fc's that screws ppl when farming buys there land and etc whats left for the smaller poorer fc's the fucking crap thats not worth spending 1mill yoshi treating the the poor fc's like second class players i pay the same sub as someone else but because they farm the fuck out of the world and have more money they get better things.. hmmm shame yoshi shame

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Originally Posted by Grundy

312,000,000/20,000 is still 15,600 days farming. I call shenanigans, this is still absolute BS. Hell, even the entry level house on Excalibur would take 2000 days farming, and by that reasoning, if everyone in my Free Company (about 35 ppl) farmed 7 days a week, that would still be 446 or 57 days. I'm sure my wife would totally understand this.

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Or you know, you could try to make more than 20k a day. That 20k is just from farming/dungeons. You could make a lot more from selling materia, crafted items, ingredients, etc.

I think the developers don't understand that a 'feature' you talk about is supposed to be something accessible for people, and that includes a large house. I was never able to afford the mega expensive purple in WoW, but WoW doesn't advertise the mega expensive bags as a major feature. The expensive stuff should be the decorations. Everyone should be able to get the land but if you want a statue of Bahamut outside of your FC housing you'd have to shell out a ton of money,.

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Originally Posted by Bufkus

Or you know, you could try to make more than 20k a day. That 20k is just from farming/dungeons. You could make a lot more from selling materia, crafted items, ingredients, etc.

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to who? the rest of the server that's also trying to do the exact same thing?

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Originally Posted by Bufkus

Because the economy will never experience inflation and you'll never earn gil at a greater rate than what you're currently earning it, right?
Is this your first MMO?

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Here's a hint, massive gilsinks are not an inflationary force on the economy.

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Originally Posted by Astarica

I think the developers don't understand that a 'feature' you talk about is supposed to be something accessible for people, and that includes a large house. I was never able to afford the mega expensive purple in WoW, but WoW doesn't advertise the mega expensive bags as a major feature. The expensive stuff should be the decorations. Everyone should be able to get the land but if you want a statue of Bahamut outside of your FC housing you'd have to shell out a ton of money,.

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I agree. The costs should come from -building- your house up, not having the right to set the first stone.

If they don't deal with this situation properly, and responsibly.. the Garrison system for WoW and the housing system in Wildstar is going to look mighty tempting.