Marriage feedback [inofficial Poll]

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Originally Posted by Kallera

Well when you have your newfound muslim overlords in 2045, you can tell them their Bahamut is a dragon and not a whale, and Ifrit can be called to help you, and that there are twelve deities, none named Allah. I'm sure they'll be all aflutter at the idea. Or if not, they'll vent whatever grievance as this game and no other in the series where Bahamut is a dragon and not a whale, Ifrit can be called to help you, and Allah is still not around, but Leviathan is, with water attacks to boot..

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Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

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My point still stands, there are well established parts of the Final Fantasy series that would stoke the ire of whatever right wing Muslim groups that would complain at this than SSM in one of the games, such as the appropriation of aspects of their mythology.

And you would have to go through a lot of assumptions considering many countries like England have also been on the rise of accepting SSM, but are being blocked because of religious organizations fearing for their status. Brussels, Belgium having had SSM since 2003. The act itself being legal in Belgium since before 1800....

So here's your picture back.

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Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

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So you're using Willy Wonka to nitpick about the last part of my post, ignoring the rest?

Tell me again how you plan to cower to future demographics.

In 2045 FFXIV will be long gone even as a commercial success.

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Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

Because that worked so well for EA.

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EA tried to create their own controversy, that's why there was a backlash. I'm talking about games like Grand Theft Auto and Mortal Kombat that basically made it big in the US for being offensive.

Why do you think EA wanted to stir up controversy in the first place? Because it gets the attention of the non-gaming religious community who essentially give them free advertising to gamers who probably don't watch the 700 Club all day.

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Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

You make the false and arrogant assumption that your position is the default position, and that it always has been. This couldn't be more clear than when you said: "ban in-game gay marriage", as though SSM was already designed into ARR, and Yoshi-P is arbitrarily dropping a ban-hammer on it.

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No, the default position is that gay people exist, and they form relationships that aren't any different from straight people. In a regular game, I guess you could get away with your cast all being heterosexual, but in an MMO where you're allowing people from all over to express themselves through their avatars, not letting two characters of the same sex marry IS like dropping the ban-hammer on it.

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Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

Face it, the idea of gay marriage wouldn't have occurred to any game designer prior to the year 2000. Could you imagine playing FFIV back in the day and seeing Cecil and Kain getting married at the end?? People then would have laughed at it like it was some sort of crazy joke.

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And any story of an interracial marriage in a book before 1940 would have also seemed weird. What's your point here?

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Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

But, if people quit FFXIV because SE has effectively taken sides in a hot-button political issue, then it's very likely they will have a distaste for not just this game, but for SE as a company. That means lost sales that far exceed the scope of this one game.

How many people do you know that enjoy in-game ads? What about overt product placement in their favorite show? Well, introducing RL boiler-plate politics into a game is far, FAR worse.

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Sorry, but no matter what SE does now they'll be taking sides on a hot-button political issue. Maybe they could have avoided taking sides if they didn't already respond to the fans that were asking whether gay marriage will be allowed in game, but now that they have made a statement, it can't be undone.

But why is it that you somehow think that a game can't have gay relationships and still be enjoyable? Mass Effect and Dragon Age were both great games that treated gay relationships just like straight relationships, and most gamers (read:those who don't think like twelve year olds) were fine. The games did really well and no one was hurt, nor did they catch "the gay".

So really I can't see how allowing gay marriage will really ruin anyone's experience like an in-game ad would. Unless the sight of gay people being treated like normal human beings just ruins your game experience. You might have bigger problems in that case.

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Originally Posted by Keisuna

Sorry, but no matter what SE does now they'll be taking sides on a hot-button political issue. Maybe they could have avoided taking sides if they didn't already respond to the fans that were asking whether gay marriage will be allowed in game, but now that they have made a statement, it can't be undone.
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Wrong.

They could just drop the whole marriage thing completely, as it's ultimately meaningless and a waste of development time.

But since they apparently are planning to add a commitment ceremony in the game, they should call it something other than 'marriage', and allow any players to participate with no restrictions/limits on gender or number of participants.

No matter your thoughts on SSM, who could possibly have a problem with that?


(sheesh, we are treading old territory here)

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Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

Wrong.

They could just drop the whole marriage thing completely, as it's ultimately meaningless and a waste of development time.

But since they apparently are planning to add a commitment ceremony in the game, they should call it something other than 'marriage', and allow any players to participate with no restrictions/limits on gender or number of participants.

No matter your thoughts on SSM, who could possibly have a problem with that?


(sheesh, we are treading old territory here)

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Rescind an announcement of content that other games have had no problem including?

That wouldn't help in any way, gaming journalists would pounce on Yoshi P , highlighting a moment of fear in what were otherwise bold steps in changing the game.

But yeah, the Eorzean marriage ceremony renamed would be a good solution, and will ultimately prove discriminating pixels is a dumb idea.

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Originally Posted by Kallera

But yeah, the ceremony renamed would be a good solution

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We agree then. :)

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Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

We agree then. :)

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Yep have all marriages in game involve said tradition

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Originally Posted by Kallera

Yep have all commitments in game involve said tradition

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fixed.

And refrain from gender and number-of-participant limits.