Would you like an in-game parser?

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Originally Posted by HoodRat

What's wrong with that? The dps required to skip soar is incredibly low, literally all it requires is a good opener and your class's basic rotation.

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I have yet to see anyone seriously consider that if a lot of people had struggled to do what they find basic, maybe that thing isn't all that basic after all. People who are good at something generally suck at being unbiased at a thing's difficulty level, because they can't separate their particular talent from the thing being done.

But what I meant was the whole toxic culture that grew about it. Endless griping and complaining and exaggerating how easy something was or how bad others were.

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Originally Posted by RiyahArp

I have yet to see anyone seriously consider that if a lot of people had struggled to do what they find basic, maybe that thing isn't all that basic after all.

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There is a huge difference between "struggling to do something" and "can't be bothered to do something."

People are lazy. The average person can't even bother being polite.

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Originally Posted by RiyahArp

I have yet to see anyone seriously consider that if a lot of people had struggled to do what they find basic, maybe that thing isn't all that basic after all. People who are good at something generally suck at being unbiased at a thing's difficulty level, because they can't separate their particular talent from the thing being done.

But what I meant was the whole toxic culture that grew about it. Endless griping and complaining and exaggerating how easy something was or how bad others were.

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I learned how to do the HW Dragoon rotation in less than a week simply through looking up Youtube videos. What's stopping anyone else from doing the same? A basic opener wouldn't even entail the more advanced micromanagement people do like shifting around Blood for Blood for that extra 20ish DPS. It's literally the very basics of how to play your job. Hate to say it but you have no business being in EX Primal fights if you can't do the basics of your job.

No not now not ever.

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Originally Posted by RiyahArp

thers were.

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When a 15 year old can do a great opener or yet; a disabled person playing with their feet, managed to do the old MCH opener
whats your excuse for not doing it?

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Originally Posted by RiyahArp

I have yet to see anyone seriously consider that if a lot of people had struggled to do what they find basic, maybe that thing isn't all that basic after all. People who are good at something generally suck at being unbiased at a thing's difficulty level, because they can't separate their particular talent from the thing being done.

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This is untrue. When it comes to damage, I'm usually in the top 3 spots in most PUG content I do. That at least puts me above average and my gear isn't all that great. Yet I know people who without any disability would not be capable of finishing some of the MSQ solo duty's. Meaning unless they committed the bannable offense of letting someone play their account, they would never SEE the content you all are arguing about.

I know that 'basic' things we take for granted are beyond some people. I get that.

But you know what? Am I going to ask SE to make the MSQ easier for those players. Players I even consider long time friends? Absolutely not. Am I going to expect this community to coddle such players (in the event they get 'lucky' and make it to PUG'd content where people are using parsers to measure one another)? Absolutely not.

The reason for this is there is a general baseline expected. In Super Mario Bros. that's akin to getting past the first Goomba. You know there is a ton of people who haven't and cannot do that? Was that fixed? Nope. Sometimes when a game is simply too challenging for a player either because of how bad they are or because of disability, it just simply isn't meant for them.

Ironically, FFXIV isn't one of the easiest MMORPGs out there. Its baseline is quite a bit higher than other games in the genre. Its also one of the more popular games despite having a sub attached. One could argue if they lowered the baseline, it would attract more. Well.. I disagree. The baseline was more or less kept the same from HW to SB, and maybe even raised in some aspects (I'd have loved to see the shenanigans with Shinryu when most were in 290 gear).

But the weird part is how much people get ill around being measured. And the belief that a tool makes people into jerks. People are already jerks. They were a jerk before a parser, with a parser, and even if its banned. The only difference is without parsers the jerks with low parses can blame others for their low outputs. I see this far more often than the high parsing player harassing others. Its a little funny to see the 200DPS> parsing monk in Syrcus Tower complaining about a slow boss when the majority are 500+. I see this happen once a week.

But I'm not allowed to correct him while he harasses people in other alliances. That just doesn't make sense.

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Originally Posted by RiyahArp

I have yet to see anyone seriously consider that if a lot of people had struggled to do what they find basic, maybe that thing isn't all that basic after all.

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But what is described here as "basic" is the baseline set by the content itself through DPS checks. If you're unable to perform your opener and basic rotation in a dummy situation (which 1st phase of Zurvan is), you won't have enough DPS to clear the fight - or even the fight's SSS doll probably. If you're not on this level, you have no business in this content (since you're simply making others to carry your weight), and need to practice more before participating. And the fact doesn't change no matter how many players are below this level.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

I learned how to do the HW Dragoon rotation in less than a week simply through looking up Youtube videos. What's stopping anyone else from doing the same? A basic opener wouldn't even entail the more advanced micromanagement people do like shifting around Blood for Blood for that extra 20ish DPS. It's literally the very basics of how to play your job. Hate to say it but you have no business being in EX Primal fights if you can't do the basics of your job.

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Most jobs you should be able to work out a fairly good rotation just by looking at the tooltips and applying some logic.

You will unlikely come up with the 'perfect' opener or rotation, but it should be enough.

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Originally Posted by akaneakki

When a 15 year old can do a great opener or yet; a disabled person playing with their feet, managed to do the old MCH opener
whats your excuse for not doing it?

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That is actually very impressive!

What does skip soar mean?

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Originally Posted by Cakekizyy

What does skip soar mean?

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One of the Trials has a mechanic early on that could be skipped at its release.
Some parties had dps players that weren't particularly experts at their job and didn't do enough damage quick enough to skip it.



Thus, people started making party finders for it and then disbanding the party if the group didn't skip that mechanic, stating 'Skip Soar' in the party finder description.
Regardless of the difficulty of actually performing the soar mechanic.