The Monk Temple

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Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra

It isn't difficult to make sense of it anyway, when MNK already crits rather often with Internal Release and has an auto-crit skill like Bootshine.

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Edit: Was wrong~

Also I don't think you can trade crit and determination on a 1:1 basis. It's more like a ~1.4 crit rating:1 det.

Bad thing about crit is you affected by the RNG unlike DET that is always active.

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Originally Posted by Instrumentality

Internal Release is a bonus to your critical hit rating. So any monk with stacked critical hit rating will gain much more value from Internal Release than a determination stacked monk.

Also I don't think you can trade crit and determination on a 1:1 basis. It's more like a ~1.4 crit rating:1 det.

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Actually, it was determined that the crit bonuses from Internal Release, Straight Shot and Wrath are flat % additions.

Basically, Internal Release on MNK increases your crit chance by 30% (if you have a 15% chance to crit based on your crit rate value, you will have a 45% chance to crit under the effects of Internal Release on MNK).

Source: http://valk.dancing-mad.com/ (scroll down a bit on the home page)

Therefore, no. Any gains from Internal Release, or crit rate increasing buffs from skills, are entirely independent from the Crit Rate stat.

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Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra

Actually, it was determined that the crit bonuses from Internal Release, Straight Shot and Wrath are flat % additions.

Basically, Internal Release on MNK increases your crit chance by 30% (if you have a 15% chance to crit based on your crit rate value, you will have a 45% chance to crit under the effects of Internal Release on MNK).

Source: http://valk.dancing-mad.com/ (scroll down a bit on the home page)

Therefore, no. Any gains from Internal Release, or crit rate increasing buffs from skills, are entirely independent from the Crit Rate stat.

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Hmm, I'll take your word for that, but you still cannot trade DET on a 1:1 basis for crit rating.

(Asking a Japanese speaking player in my guild the tooltip does in fact say critical hit power, not rating.)

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Originally Posted by Instrumentality

Hmm, I'll take your word for that, but you still cannot trade DET on a 1:1 basis for crit rating.

(Asking a Japanese speaking player in my guild the tooltip does in fact say critical hit power, not rating.)

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I wasn't suggesting trading them 1 for 1. I even suggested 1 point of det is worth more than 1 point of crit when I said "det is the clear winner point for point". I'm aware crit comes in larger values.

I'm not so much "trading" as much as straight up taking gear with determination first and above any gear without it at the same ilv. I'm prioritizing det in my gear, followed by crit. Obviously, the accuracy cap and limited choices mean I have to think of it as an entire gearset, but all of that goes without saying I would think.

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Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra

I'm not so much "trading" as much as straight up taking gear with determination first and above any gear without it at the same ilv. I'm prioritizing det in my gear, followed by crit. Obviously, the accuracy cap and limited choices mean I have to think of it as an entire gearset, but all of that goes without saying I would think.

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...That's how trading stats works? You're sacrificing crit and SS pieces for pieces with DET or taking pieces with DET prioritized over crit/ss.

Like these two sets:
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/LQ1W (crit stacked)
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/LQ1X (det stacked)

There's a skill speed difference of one. You 'trade' 130 critical hit rating to gain 92 DET. That's what I mean when I say you're trading stats. If that's a worthwhile trade to you, then by all means, but I don't think you're gaining a marked increase in your damage output for those kinds of trades. In fact if you parsed both of those sets you wouldn't notice a difference literally at all.

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Originally Posted by Instrumentality

...That's how trading stats works? You're sacrificing crit and SS pieces for pieces with DET or taking pieces with DET prioritized over crit/ss.

Like these two sets:
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/LQ1W (crit stacked)
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/LQ1X (det stacked)

There's a skill speed difference of one. You 'trade' 130 critical hit rating to gain 92 DET. That's what I mean when I say you're trading stats. If that's a worthwhile trade to you, then by all means, but I don't think you're gaining a marked increase in your damage output for those kinds of trades. In fact if you parsed both of those sets you wouldn't notice a difference literally at all.

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People have already parsed and Det has a higher weight than crit by a good margin in terms of dps. 1.6 vs 2.2 I believe. EasyX would be able to say for sure. He's run the numbers.

But I think gaining more DTR us much better since it is a full always active bonus to everything we do, but CRT IS only chance. Now correct me if I'm wrong but with 500 crit and IR buff that's what 30% CRT chance of hitting, if so that 70% chance ur hit will land no crit, whereas DRT increase is an increase to overal potency without chance it's there. The statement "well yeah technically both CRT vs DRT build about evens out in parse" is kinda false since it'll only even out if that CRT actually lands. To me yes CRT is very important but this game still have no gear that will push for mOre CRT, heck may b in the coming expansion will more passive traits to increase CRT bonus from IR, but unroll then, DRT wins at this moment. Same can also be said for SS. Since TwS buff increase in duration, there's really no need for more SS.

God my grammar sucks

i prefer a setup like that.you have enought accuracy for mostly anything (if you want to push it a little more to get 0 miss on T5,use deviled eggs)

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/LQ6V

with that setup you have a good mixte between DET and CRIT and accuracy is way enought.you can change hero choker for allagan maiming(if you want more ACU) and vortex ring for allagan maiming ring (if you want more DET)

that the BIS im aiming for.