Gender locked race?

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Originally Posted by Gwenorai

I mean, what get's me about Ronso is that they guard a holy land by lore. Which means if we go Ronso again and have them have a similar background to Viera with 'guarding a holy land'. Then I have to ask what's the point? Unless they're going to have them do something completely random like hold a Blitz ball championship. Actually, I've figured it out. Ronso is just going to be a playable race in the gold saucer where we play blitzball. Sorted.

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Well.. I mean is holy land that hard to find? Seems like everyone thinks their land is holy, especially if they're xenophobic lol.

Slap a shiny ancient artifact / natural wonder and bam, holy :D.

from what i have talked with a few friends on a discord of mine, this feels like they are trying to build up a slight non-traversy, to kick up a stink so that come the JP fan fest they reveal it and people go even more nuts over it, it would make a bit of sense and SE wouldn't be the first company to do something similar,

in my honest opinion come the tokyo fan fest we will get the new job revealed it will show the weapon then the chest then BOOM male viera, (mainly since we haven't seen the viera represent a job yet.)

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Originally Posted by DracotheDragon

from what i have talked with a few friends on a discord of mine, this feels like they are trying to build up a slight non-traversy, to kick up a stink so that come the JP fan fest they reveal it and people go even more nuts over it, it would make a bit of sense and SE wouldn't be the first company to do something similar,

in my honest opinion come the tokyo fan fest we will get the new job revealed it will show the weapon then the chest then BOOM male viera, (mainly since we haven't seen the viera represent a job yet.)

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I think that's just ridiculous, as if we don't have enough to worry over.

Who ever said that adding male Viera here meant they would have to retroactively go back and add them to every game prior to FFXIV? What kind of logic is that? FFXII and the tactics games are so old and no one is going back in to add anything else in them anytime soon. On a side note, I'd love it if that's how they revealed Dancer, with Tina Turner's Private Dancer playing in the background...

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Originally Posted by redcurrant18

Who ever said that adding male Viera here meant they would have to retroactively go back and add them to every game prior to FFXIV? What kind of logic is that? FFXII and the tactics games are so old and no one is going back in to add anything else in them anytime soon. On a side note, I'd love it if that's how they revealed Dancer, with Tina Turner's Private Dancer playing in the background...

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I never said they would retroactively add them . . . That's impossible and a huge simplification of what I was saying lol. I meant once they're added then they're there, that FFXIV is breaking the ground for the tactics universe rather than the tactics universe breaking ground for itself. So when they make the next tactics based game it's more pressure to add them and with some expecting it to be like FFXIV did. On top of that it would be like having a job based FF game but not putting Black Mage in, it's just weird (once there it's sort of expected). If they want the game's own universe to direct itself then FFXIV being the ground breaker isn't preferable, and if the creator who wrote the lore for FFXIV doesn't really want them then there is that too.

Also please note that I said this is just a possible element in pushing back, not that "HAH THIS IS IT, PROOF THEY WONT BE ADDED".

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Originally Posted by Shougun

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This is why I said it's very much likely that the original creators of Viera will be there in jp fanfest to reveal the male Viera. It's not just something Y.P can decide on. Rather this has to be discussed with them as well in order for it to make sense and to not just be completely out of the vision of what the original creators thought.

Also, Yoshida didn't dislike male viera, he disliked the idea of them being too 'cute' - that's why the concept art in HW didn't look 'cute' they were tall and muscular with stern faces. And that concept art along with the others was also shown which also included male Viera. That to me speaks as if he's already talked to the other creators of tactics/ff12 - they already have ideas on what the male should look like.

It honestly would make zero sense to put forward the idea of Viera as a new race back in HW; then go 'nah, let's not'. The lore hasn't changed since then regarding Viera yet they still made the male concept art and said they wouldn't have just female without a male.

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Originally Posted by Gwenorai

This is why I said it's very much likely that the original creators of Viera will be there in jp fanfest to reveal the male Viera. It's not just something Y.P can decide on. Rather this has to be discussed with them as well in order for it to make sense and to not just be completely out of the vision of what the original creators thought.

Also, Yoshida didn't dislike male viera, he disliked the idea of them being too 'cute' - that's why the concept art in HW didn't look 'cute' they were tall and muscular with stern faces. And that concept art along with the others was also shown which also included male Viera. That to me speaks as if he's already talked to the other creators of tactics/ff12 - they already have ideas on what the male should look like.

It honestly would make zero sense to put forward the idea of Viera as a new race back in HW; then go 'nah, let's not'. The lore hasn't changed since then regarding Viera yet they still made the male concept art and said they wouldn't have just female without a male.

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It would be pretty neat if they add male Viera that the creator gets to announce them, that would be something else. Very nice nod. Also I said he wasn't a fan of male viera, as in they were going to feel cute (at least in his eyes). Not a fan should still be an accurate statement (if maybe not very specific), because he didn't like his initial reaction to the idea of male viera (this is true) - he can of course design them to be a way he does like them (or choose to decide he doesn't care if he likes them or not and produce them anyways). Obviously as the forum has shown we can even make Viera look lion-like.

Having a quote of them saying they wouldn't introduce female viera without male viera would be nice, I haven't seen or recall that one but it would be a pretty good quote for the discussion. Would add a lot of weight the other way.

Mostly I'm just here for the speculation fun lol. I am not confident they will not add male Viera (mostly because that seems to be a "lesson learned" already), but with the leaked info and other info I'm having fun figuring out what they'd do.

In order of likelihood I think (in context of the lion info):
A. lion-like male viera, perhaps as a specific clan option type
B. two races
C. non-playable (but I feel this is weird because we have other new races, like the beastmen and the leak didn't mention those like mentioning viera.. I think they would know better?)
D. gender locked races.
E. Yoshi-P is the leaker and has been trolling us because it's fun lol, lions are a lie and that is all they were :p

Im pretty sure Yoshi has his spies on this thread down and they're probably collecting all the ideas and weird stories.
They sure have fun and laughing their butts off. But know this Yoshi-P! You cant fool me!

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Originally Posted by Shougun

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Honestly, I think all but D are likely. xD What I don't understand is this; the leaker told us plenty of things that turned out to be true. Why suddenly stop when pushed regarding the second race and say story spoilers; all the info he released 'was' story spoilers regardless; what made this one so special?

And of course, there's all the other logic behind it all. What I found out recently that amused me was that the Wandering Dramaturge is Yasumi Matsuno just as Yoshida is the Wandering Minstrel. The wandering Dramaturge speaks about the male Viera in length but does so in the past tense - hinting that things have changed how it was all in the past and things will change even further. Seeing as Yasumi Matsuno was the producer/director of FF tactics and FF12 - and wrote/made the Viera race - well... it seems to me that we might be seeing more of him in jp fan fest - I don't believe Yasumi Matsuno was at Paris; but if anyone made that announcement, I think it'd be him.

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Originally Posted by Gwenorai

Honestly, I think all but D are likely. xD What I don't understand is this; the leaker told us plenty of things that turned out to be true. Why suddenly stop when pushed regarding the second race and say story spoilers; all the info he released 'was' story spoilers regardless; what made this one so special?

And of course, there's all the other logic behind it all. What I found out recently that amused me was that the Wandering Dramaturge is Yatsumi Matsuno just as Yoshida is the Wandering Minstrel. The wandering Dramaturge speaks about the male Viera in length but does so in the past tense - hinting that things have changed how it was all in the past and things will change even further. Seeing as Yatsumi Matsuno was the producer/director of FF tactics and FF12 - and wrote/made the Viera race - well... it seems to me that we might be seeing more of him in jp fan fest - I don't believe Yatsumi Matsuno was at Paris; but if anyone made that announcement, I think it'd be him.

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I didn't think of that... that does make a lot of sense, that's awesome - I believe it especially because I just looked up the photos and they do have similar hair style even (and he wrote the dialog). It would be really romantic (iffy word choice but fits lol) if Yasumi gets to be there when the race is announced (or announce it himself).

I also find logic in your mention about past tense sound, absolutely there need to be a shift in story anyways as people have mentioned because how else are we going to enter the forest without being turned into a pincushion (killed on sight)?

I imagine some people think I'm trying to push a "no male viera narrative" lol, I'm just thinking aloud with what we have and purposefully coming up with ideas even if they're not my favorite hehe. Like when I mentioned Yasumi I wasn't making up a bullet proof idea on why it may not happen but putting another logical stone into the puzzle. As there are implications of developing another game's universe outside of that universe, but this doesn't mean it can't happen and it'd be sort of beautiful if the creator (Yasumi) gets to be part of that.

Agree as well that D is a harsh one. The only reason I list is because it would certainly give us some nice flash backs of "SE does what SE does because SE does what it wants" lol. I guess I put it there as a "just in case" :P. I am not rooting for that option. I would /love/ for everyone to win and get all the visual options they felt were missing in the game. It's been fun talking about because before some ideas were passed around I was rather like "meh, male viera - I'll be sad for others but I wont be sad for myself if it isn't there".

Now though I think "..claws, feet, height, bulk.. hair.. Viera with lion influence.. we don't need Ronso I guess? Neat~" (of course I'm not saying it has to be like that, there are many options, clans, other races, etc, just didn't think I'd warm up to the idea I might like male viera until now lol).

Zero indication of it yet. People are inferring too much from their silence on the topic.

If we are getting male viera, and the male viera are the variant that look like "young elezen", then I think the height difference and build will look like this
https://i.imgur.com/hejDGWm.png
It's possible that viera is gender locked, and that this variant is a female viera that looks like a young elezen.

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Originally Posted by SpiritMuse

Exactly. It's one of the reasons the Au Ra were disappointing to me on release - tough, feral looking men, but the women were small dainty miqote-except-lizard. I would love to see the reverse sometime. Let women look tough and spiky and feral, for once.

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I wouldn't mind small dainty males for once either. So a reverse seems good.

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Originally Posted by Gwenorai

And of course, there's all the other logic behind it all. What I found out recently that amused me was that the Wandering Dramaturge is Yasumi Matsuno just as Yoshida is the Wandering Minstrel. The wandering Dramaturge speaks about the male Viera in length but does so in the past tense - hinting that things have changed how it was all in the past and things will change even further. Seeing as Yasumi Matsuno was the producer/director of FF tactics and FF12 - and wrote/made the Viera race - well... it seems to me that we might be seeing more of him in jp fan fest - I don't believe Yasumi Matsuno was at Paris; but if anyone made that announcement, I think it'd be him.

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My mind is blown.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/edee...itemid=5139389

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Originally Posted by Senn

If we are getting male viera, and the male viera are the variant that look like "young elezen", then I think the height difference and build will look like this
https://i.imgur.com/hejDGWm.png
It's possible that viera is gender locked, and that this variant is a female viera that looks like a young elezen.

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It's going to be a lot more drastic than that.
If by "young Elezen" they're referring to the child characters (i.e. Rielle) then this supposed second Viera variant will be tiny. As in about half/three quarters the size of the other.

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/...47/945/40e.jpg

Let's just assume that both characters in this image are the average height their respective races.
Fran is slightly taller than an Elezen.
Now let's compare the height of a young Elezen with an adult Elezen.

(Lala for scale)
https://i.imgur.com/0j0MRNx.png

These buns will be absolutely dinky.

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Originally Posted by Corue

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haha omg that's pretty short but I'd be ok with it still. Although in the video clip, they said that the variant looks like a "sort of young elezen", and that "we knew who"? I'm guessing the "who" would be Alphinaud, who is a young elezen. I think we're lacking a short and slim body type for males. Miqo'te still has muscle to them, and although elezen is tall, they aren't short. I think a body type like Alphinaud's would be good.

Alphinaud height compared to elezen sorta
http://i.imgur.com/h5aGtrI.jpg
anyone have a better pic that show's Alphinaud's height compared to a player character?

I can't really see male Viera being short and "young Elezen" in appearance. Wouldn't they look more feral due to living in isolation and, depending on what they do, maybe buff?

Honestly, SE should have just given the Viera lore completely unrelated to FFXII's (I would still prefer they weren't going to be playable in this game at all). The way they wrote the males is far more restrictive than the male Miqo'te (I imagine male Viera who stray from their duties would probably be hunted down by their own kind if they stay/enter the Great Wood).

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Originally Posted by Nestama

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Apparently, there's going to be a variant that looks sort of like a "young elezen". Sort of, not exactly like. So who knows.
Whether this variant is going to be male viera or if viera is going to be female only, no one knows. If it's female only, then the variant will just look similar to a young looking female elezen.
Personally, if the male is the "young elezen" variant, I can't imagine they would be bulky. It's possible they can still look feral, even if short and slim. I think they would retain some of the same kind of grace the female viera have.

People are reading way too much into that "young elezen" thing considering it very likely was just referring to hairstyles. Even if it wasn't, it was likely just in reference that the Viera in general look like elzen already, as well as appearing to have a pretty good diversity in terms of height differences available to them (similar to how Female Roegadyn have a much larger range of heights than other races).

They've already talked about having to do extra work for potentially both their feet, ears, AND more variety in hairstyles by having optional bangs/no bangs versions of their racial hairstyles. They aren't going to pile on twice the work making some drastically different variant unless there's some other sacrifice, as in no male version or male only race at all.

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Originally Posted by Gwenorai

Honestly, I think all but D are likely.

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Honestly, all things considered. D is probably the most likely. We have Yoshida saying before that if they'd implement Viera he would probably do a different male only race, then later they created concept art in an attempt to get a version of male Viera that he would accept and he still said they seemed "too cute" showing that he likely still wasn't sold on that idea. Combine it with lore that substantiates males being an incredible rarity (justifying why we would never even see male NPCs, meaning they don't have to even make the models.) Add onto that the complete lack of them during the race reveal, with official art showing multiple female viera, and yoshida's unwillingness to even confirm they are in the works, doesn't paint a very positive light on them being made available to players.

He has consistently shown a reluctance regarding male viera (and male bunny stuff in general). And given how they implemented Blue Mage, we know he follows through with things he talks about even if they're very old, or things that he knows would be controversial and unpopular among players.

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Originally Posted by Shippuu

People are reading way too much into that "young elezen" thing considering it very likely was just referring to hairstyles. Even if it wasn't, it was likely just in reference that the Viera in general look like elzen already, as well as appearing to have a pretty good diversity in terms of height differences available to them (similar to how Female Roegadyn have a much larger range of heights than other races).

They've already talked about having to do extra work for potentially both their feet, ears, AND more variety in hairstyles by having optional bangs/no bangs versions of their racial hairstyles. They aren't going to pile on twice the work making some drastically different variant unless there's some other sacrifice, as in no male version or male only race at all.




Honestly, all things considered. D is probably the most likely. We have Yoshida saying before that if they'd implement Viera he would probably do a different male only race, then later they created concept art in an attempt to get a version of male Viera that he would accept and he still said they seemed "too cute" showing that he likely still wasn't sold on that idea. Combine it with lore that substantiates males being an incredible rarity (justifying why we would never even see male NPCs, meaning they don't have to even make the models.) Add onto that the complete lack of them during the race reveal, with official art showing multiple female viera, and yoshida's unwillingness to even confirm they are in the works, doesn't paint a very positive light on them being made available to players.

He has consistently shown a reluctance regarding male viera (and male bunny stuff in general). And given how they implemented Blue Mage, we know he follows through with things he talks about even if they're very old, or things that he knows would be controversial and unpopular among players.

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Honestly I've been feeling as if the "young elezen" comment was getting out of control myself, but wasn't sure if someone heard something I didn't. To me, it's just as easy to hear "it's not like they're young elezen" as it is "they'll be like young elezen."

Do you remember when YoshiP said that about a separate male race? I don't want to quote it at people without a source but that's very interesting.

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Originally Posted by Shippuu

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One reason male viera may still be a possibility is because of the amount of work that went into viera feet and helmets. Things had to be reworked. It would be a shame to not reuse the feet and helmet adjustments for males as well. Another reason could be because of past player demand for the missing genders of roe, highlander, and miqo'te. They may be aware the player base want both genders of a race.

I already mentioned the "young elezen" comment could be referring to hairstyle/ears/or something else. We shouldn't gloss over it, though.

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Originally Posted by Shippuu

Honestly, all things considered. D is probably the most likely. We have Yoshida saying before that if they'd implement Viera he would probably do a different male only race, then later they created concept art in an attempt to get a version of male Viera that he would accept and he still said they seemed "too cute" showing that he likely still wasn't sold on that idea. Combine it with lore that substantiates males being an incredible rarity (justifying why we would never even see male NPCs, meaning they don't have to even make the models.) Add onto that the complete lack of them during the race reveal, with official art showing multiple female viera, and yoshida's unwillingness to even confirm they are in the works, doesn't paint a very positive light on them being made available to players.

He has consistently shown a reluctance regarding male viera (and male bunny stuff in general). And given how they implemented Blue Mage, we know he follows through with things he talks about even if they're very old, or things that he knows would be controversial and unpopular among players.

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Definitely am prepared to see him deliver on the long haul of more things even if they're counter to what you'd think after Blue Mage lol. 5-6+ years ago "probably side content spell hunt", queue now.. Blue Mage enters as side content.

Whatever is going on they're playing really coy lol. Wonder how hard they're going to tease players at the fanfest itself. If you look at the shadowbringer website they fill in all that visual space of viera's with females:
https://i.imgur.com/nUKG6Qv.png
So about Vianga, we heard you really wanted to play as Vianga male so we added female goblins to the game as a playable race! :p

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Originally Posted by Senn

One reason male viera may still be a possibility is because of the amount of work that went into viera feet and helmets. Things had to be reworked. It would be a shame to not reuse the feet and helmet adjustments for males as well.

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Ronso also would use those features.. hahahahaha XD. (I say that out of fun, not that I think it's more or less likely).
http://pa1.narvii.com/6819/7ec605f38...6499407_00.gif

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Originally Posted by InkstainedGwyn

Honestly I've been feeling as if the "young elezen" comment was getting out of control myself, but wasn't sure if someone heard something I didn't. To me, it's just as easy to hear "it's not like they're young elezen" as it is "they'll be like young elezen."

Do you remember when YoshiP said that about a separate male race? I don't want to quote it at people without a source but that's very interesting.

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From 2013 (where he says they might consider a separate race): https://www.siliconera.com/2013/02/2...jg8o6pCcXIo.99

From 2015 (after showing concept art): https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/the...n-sense/.91021

Somebody else pulled these out earlier in the thread so credit to them for finding these.

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Originally Posted by InkstainedGwyn

Do you remember when YoshiP said that about a separate male race? I don't want to quote it at people without a source but that's very interesting.

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"The issue with the Viera is that, if you look at them, they're basically humanoid save for their long rabbit ears and their heels. We already have a mostly humanoid race with animal ears in the Mi'qote. When we looked at those initial Viera concepts, it just seemed like a Mi'qote with bunny ears instead of cat ears. It simply wasn't different enough. Especially when we did the male designs… they didn't look beastly enough, they were just a little too cute. We wanted to make something that was original to the Final Fantasy series, and to do that, we decided to step away from the Viera.

I was actually strongly against showing the Viera concept art at the event we unveiled the Au Ra at. I knew that people would be like “why didn't you include them?!” [laughs] We feel we have a good thing with the Au Ra, though. If you don't like them, though, let us know and we'll take it into consideration with the next race we bring in."
From: https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/the...n-sense/.91021

I think its also worth noting that he didn't want to add Viera either yet here we are several years later.
However, I feel like I'm missing another interview that touches base with this.

Edit: Person above me found it.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

Ronso also would use those features..

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Very possible.
Then I wonder what this "young elezen" variant can be. tbh I don't think it was really an "accidental" slip up.
If it's just a hairstyle or ear style, why the need to stay hushed over it?

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Originally Posted by Senn

Very possible.
Then I wonder what this "young elezen" variant can be. tbh I don't think it was really an "accidental" slip up.
If it's just a hairstyle or ear style, why the need to stay hushed over it?

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Well if I'm just keeping the circus going I would say because Ronso have young elezen ears, if you look Khimari ears look like Alphinud ears.

https://i.imgur.com/EE0N1rU.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/4VaYj9o.png

In a less "I'm having too much fun playing around with loose bits of info and trying to make a picture" feelings... I have no clue mate haha. It could be because they're going to have some smoll boi bunny, it could be because it might reveal some feature of the new helmet system they added, could be a hint to another race.

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Originally Posted by Senn

Very possible.
Then I wonder what this "young elezen" variant can be. tbh I don't think it was really an "accidental" slip up.
If it's just a hairstyle or ear style, why the need to stay hushed over it?

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To add hype? To keep people guessing? If the hushed statement was something like "we're not giving you a young elezen race" they'd want to hush that up, too, if they're not willing to admit yet that there are no young/cute viera.

I don't think I'm right, I just want to caution people against making the evidence we have fit their pet theory without being mindful of the other meanings it could have.

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Same, I'm just playing around with loose bits of info as well.
I'm not sure if the viera variant will have ears in that position. I think it's more likely to be in the same position as the female viera's ears.

How i be if male veira announced at Tokyo fan fest:
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https://i.giphy.com/media/NRvjb2RlOmhWlGmDCF/200.webp

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https://media3.giphy.com/media/8QGV2...6b396b36c94523

How i'll be if they reveal veira are gender locked;
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https://i.giphy.com/media/26gJzQj558kmHBTP2/200.webp

Internal;
https://i.giphy.com/media/i3fmueJZjIx8s/200.webp

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Originally Posted by RoroCookies

"The issue with the Viera is that, if you look at them, they're basically humanoid save for their long rabbit ears and their heels. We already have a mostly humanoid race with animal ears in the Mi'qote. When we looked at those initial Viera concepts, it just seemed like a Mi'qote with bunny ears instead of cat ears. It simply wasn't different enough. Especially when we did the male designs… they didn't look beastly enough, they were just a little too cute. We wanted to make something that was original to the Final Fantasy series, and to do that, we decided to step away from the Viera.

I was actually strongly against showing the Viera concept art at the event we unveiled the Au Ra at. I knew that people would be like “why didn't you include them?!” [laughs] We feel we have a good thing with the Au Ra, though. If you don't like them, though, let us know and we'll take it into consideration with the next race we bring in."
From: https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/the...n-sense/.91021

I think its also worth noting that he didn't want to add Viera either yet here we are several years later.
However, I feel like I'm missing another interview that touches base with this.

Edit: Person above me found it.

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"viera is just like miqo'te but with rabbit ears!"
-immediately introduces female au ra which is miqo'te with horns which also is both too cute and not beastly enough compared to their male counterparts and concept arts-

YoshiP's interviews on viera and races in general have always annoyed me. =_=

I'm really hoping my impressions will be proven wrong with the introduction of a smaller, non-beastly, but still cool male viera to balance out what the DID to female au ra, but the pit in the bottom of my stomach says that I'll be disappointed again. >.<

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Originally Posted by Senn

Very possible.
Then I wonder what this "young elezen" variant can be. tbh I don't think it was really an "accidental" slip up.
If it's just a hairstyle or ear style, why the need to stay hushed over it?

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I sincerely think it was a slip up. Thinking like a designer, it simply could've been a "oh I did a face inspired by alphinaud/alisae and ramble ramble nervous ramble" and YoshiP was alerted because "up up up! Assets that weren't displayed in the presentation are still under NDA! And we can't clarify misconceptions without also breaking NDA. Pls don't get fired." Remember she was very nervous, which can get people to ramble about some pretty dang irrelevant data for a bit.

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It didn't seem like an accident to me but you could be right.

Just in case anyone doesn't get it, I've just been speculating, not speaking in absolutes lol

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Originally Posted by InkstainedGwyn

Do you remember when YoshiP said that about a separate male race? I don't want to quote it at people without a source but that's very interesting.

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I sure do. Link

Q38: In terms of new races, what kind of races are you looking into and will mixed races be introduced?

A38: I don’t think we’ll have mixed races for a while. Since it seems like Viera is popular around the world we have been proactively looking into this, but since having a rabbit male might be kind of weird, maybe we’ll look into having a separate race for the male counterpart.

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Originally Posted by Senn

One reason male viera may still be a possibility is because of the amount of work that went into viera feet and helmets. Things had to be reworked. It would be a shame to not reuse the feet and helmet adjustments for males as well. Another reason could be because of past player demand for the missing genders of roe, highlander, and miqo'te. They may be aware the player base want both genders of a race.

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It's true, but at the same time, that work can also be used for some other male race that features similar feet and ear placement. We also don't fully know the extent of the accommodations they have made for the Viera feet and ears. For all we know, they could have decided to do something as extreme as simply not letting Viera show helmets they're wearing. It's an odd choice, but it would open them up to other race options that have more extreme head shapes that would have also been problematic for helmets. We'll have to wait and see when they explain whatever change it was they have made to accommodate Viera ears.

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Yeah, someone mentioned the "Ronso" feet thing. They do have similar feet, so they could reuse viera feet for that. Since they mentioned a separate race in the past, this is totally possible.

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Originally Posted by Shippuu

I sure do. Link

Q38: In terms of new races, what kind of races are you looking into and will mixed races be introduced?

A38: I don’t think we’ll have mixed races for a while. Since it seems like Viera is popular around the world we have been proactively looking into this, but since having a rabbit male might be kind of weird, maybe we’ll look into having a separate race for the male counterpart.

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:O (Forgot how exact the old question was, I just thought it was like "meee..ehhh" lol).

So the question now is will he Blue Mage the Viera people lol. If Yoshi does it again then I'm going to have to reread a lot of old posts, anything he said he is going to do might just be something way down the pipe line but he will be doing XD. Of course he could change his mind too, it's not like he cant do it (but it just seems when he has a strong opinion he sticks to it).

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Originally Posted by Senn

Yeah, someone mentioned the "Ronso" feet thing. They do have similar feet, so they could reuse viera feet for that. Since they mentioned a separate race in the past, this is totally possible.

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I imagine IF (not saying they are) they did something like Ronso it might not be called Ronso (just have a high inspiration from- and it would really just be "lion-like"), but yeah.. Ronso have the Viera feet and Viera hands, they also have very similar Viera hair. With their elvish like ears and tails all the systems that made Ronso-like race a pain in the booty to produce a while ago is now technically all prepared.

It's actually why I thought you could buff up a rabbit enough that it might even look like a ronso. Especially with one of the concept arts (of a Viera male) they've produced that has similar T chest hair and hair mane.

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So the question now is will he Blue Mage the Viera people lol. If Yoshi does it again then I'm going to have to reread a lot of old posts, anything he said he is going to do might just be something way down the pipe line but he will be doing XD.

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Yeah, I mean he can certainly change his mind over 6 years. But since he was so consistent with Blue Mage, it means old comments can't be easily dismissed just for being old.

Plus, his comment was made well after they had decided to undo the 1.0 gender locks, meaning that even after they "fixed" that, he was still definitely open to a future gender locked race, with Viera especially. It's something to consider when you factor in all the other oddities that's going on with the lack of male viera being announced/shown.

While I can imagine them being smaller than the females in height, to be the same size as elezen - not child elezen, I can't imagine them being 'cute' nor dainty looking. Specifically, because Yoshida really dislikes the idea of them being cute. He wanted them to be more beast and fierce looking. Otherwise, if they're 'cute' I think his words were along the lines that they'd just look like miqote but with bunny ears and not a tail.

I don't know. All I'm 100 percent of is that he's really against the idea of the males being anything that could be considered 'adorable' and 'cute' looking - at least without the creator of the toon going out of their way to specifically make them look like that through nice arduous work with the character creator. Meaning that 'cute' wouldn't exactly be the primary look for the face, and skinny and small would be the extremes of the slider.

Now I'm confused, I don't know if I want a female Ronso or a male Viera @_@
Stop messing with my mind vile forum thread.

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Originally Posted by Beckett

You're putting the cart before the horse here. SE isn't trying to find reasons to justify adding male Viera even though it doesn't fit the lore, they created the lore as a justification to not add male Viera.

You can't even argue that they created that lore to justify why we've never seen any male Viera before. So far we've only seen one Viera in-game, who happened to be female. Going only by FFXIV, we'd have no reason to question why we haven't seen any male Viera, only why we've never seen any other Viera of any gender.

It's true we only ever saw female Viera in XII/TA, but that's a different continuity. There's no need for the lore of this game to justify the lore of a completely different universe. If SE wanted to add playable male Viera in XIV, they wouldn't have created an excuse not to.

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This. The lore they're setting up for male Viera would justify why we won't get male Viera. The dramaturge puts on a strong emphasis on how males are incredibly rare.

This is the exact same kind of lore they created for male Miqo'te, which they used to explain why male Miqo'te were not playable. But just because male Miqo'te, female Roegadyn, and female Highlander were created doesn't mean that things have changed permanently. Let's not take things for granted. Let's not entitle ourselves into thinking we know how things will work out. At the end of the day, whatever is chosen to be implemented into the game is out of our hands.

The lore for male Viera is so keen on pointing out their rarity that it almost seems like we're being prepared to expect no playable males.

In the Game Watch interview, when asked about male Viera, Yoshida said to read the lore written for Viera again. Coupled with the fact that only female Viera were showcased, along with a PowerPoint slide titled "The Viera" featuring only females, is pretty strong evidence that Viera is going to be a female-only playable race.

And if we do get male Viera, they might just end up looking like Ronso with bunny ears. Which would be even more disappointing. The female Viera look beautiful and amazing. The males should look handsome and muscular. But because bunny ears are considered such a feminine trait, they're probably going to make the males more animal-like to offset the bunny ears.

It goes back to this archaic, out-dated, old-fashioned, close-minded idea that females equal cute and sexy and males equal brutish and savage. There are so many Asian mmos that follow this trend, and I wouldn't put it past ffxiv to do the same. One of the posters above mentioned that Yoshida said "seeing a male rabbit might be weird" when asked about new races.

If the team felt genderlocking the Ramza and Alma hairstyles was the logical thing to do, I can see them genderlocking Viera, or even designing male Viera to make them Ronso-like. Either we're getting male-only Ronso and no male Viera, or male Viera that look like Ronso. From everything I've seen, that's what I'm expecting.

I desperately hope I'm wrong, but I'm preparing myself to be disappointed.