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i'll defend the game when it's something i like, but not going to defend it when it's something i don't. there's many things i like about the game, but there is just as much as i dislike. they asked for our opinions on the forums so i will give them both the positive and negative of what i like and dislike. i will not sit and constantly bash everything because i do like things and ideas, but i will not always take up for it either because there's things i don't like including the direction lately.

i thought the point of the forums was to get peoples opinions on the game both positive and negative.

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Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1

hey what do i know? i'm just going by what the company itself stated. i'm sure you know more about the company than the company itself.

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What i posted is what SE stated... google it and you will see. What you said i see that stated by SE nowhere....

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Originally Posted by Xatsh

We will stop relentlessly defend the game when something better comes out.

Rift = WoW, which was a shallow peice of crap that only appealed to the non-mmo gamer.

Star Wars is a solo player game with a few options for group play.... aka it is not even a mmo techniqually, it is focusing on all the things a mmo is not except for the story. That and they are using graphics that would be considered sub par back in 2005.

GW2 is a 100% solo player game from what they are saying there is literally no grouping at all it is just a bunch of people soloing together on 1 mob... Alot of new things here but once again they are making it for the non-mmo gamers.

Tera is the only semi decent mmo coming out but they are nerfing the crap out of it for the NA market... so /sigh.

We white knights will stop defending it when Devs stop throwing out WoW clones and Solo based mmos.

Honestly if you do not like Grinds, you do not like grouping, you do not like spending along time on character development you simply do not like a true mmo. If you are in catagory you should go to ToR or Rift those games are designed for the 90% of the mmo player based that despises the genre.

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Xatsh. I've enjoyed your posts in the past. But I gotta say you're talking out of your ass here when it comes to SWTOR and probably about the other games too. SWTOR is a full blown MMORPG. You'd know this if you actually looked the game up yourself. It just goes beyond what the normal MMO does and adds such a rich amount of story and VO that it gives all the goodness of a single player game. But to say it's not an MMO is completely ignorant, false, and just plain old talking out of your ass.

If you're gonna rebutt do it with the facts. SWTOR will be much more MMORPG than this game.

Comming from an ex White Knight, sorry, I can't defend this game anymore.

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Originally Posted by Ludicrous

Xatsh. I've enjoyed your posts in the past. But I gotta say you're talking out of your ass here when it comes to SWTOR and probably about the other games too. SWTOR is a full blown MMORPG. You'd know this if you actually looked the game up yourself. It just goes beyond what the normal MMO does and adds such a rich amount of story and VO that it gives all the goodness of a single player game. But to say it's not an MMO is completely ignorant, false, and just plain old talking out of your ass.

If you're gonna rebutt do it with the facts. SWTOR will be much more MMORPG than this game.

Comming from an ex White Knight, sorry, I can't defend this game anymore.

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Get used to it dude.... half of the people on this forum know all about other upcoming mmos and how well they will succeed or fail even before they hit the market. Just as the other half knows all about how long it takes the FFXIV dev team to produce or what kind of limitation the crystal tools engine has.... hell they even know about statements SE has never made....

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Originally Posted by Xatsh

Honestly if you do not like Grinds, you do not like grouping, you do not like spending along time on character development you simply do not like a true mmo. If you are in catagory you should go to ToR or Rift those games are designed for the 90% of the mmo player based that despises the genre.

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Thats BS. By your definition what makes a MMO an MMO is the time you sink killing one inconsequential enemy after another, not really learning anything new after the first 15 minutes of it? Or is it the exp/sp you gain, which is arbitrarily decided by a group of people who want to get as much of the players' money as possible?

Honestly, char development is almost null for every MMO, that's better left to pen and paper RPGs, where the world really reacts to you beyond a silly fame system, and a good story teller will tailor a story for you and a few others that is really the center of the game universe.

If I don't like grinds I don't like grouping? I guess your mind might be sub-par, which would give you a great resilience against boredom from mindless repetitive drone actions. Just know that for average human beings fighting raptors stops being a mind blowing experience after the first ten or so.

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Originally Posted by Ilean

Thats BS. By your definition what makes a MMO an MMO is the time you sink killing one inconsequential enemy after another, not really learning anything new after the first 15 minutes of it? Or is it the exp/sp you gain, which is arbitrarily decided by a group of people who want to get as much of the players' money as possible?

Honestly, char development is almost null for every MMO, that's better left to pen and paper RPGs, where the world really reacts to you beyond a silly fame system, and a good story teller will tailor a story for you and a few others that is really the center of the game universe.

If I don't like grinds I don't like grouping? I guess your mind might be sub-par, which would give you a great resilience against boredom from mindless repetitive drone actions. Just know that for average human beings fighting raptors stops being a mind blowing experience after the first ten or so.

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Agreed. The MMORPG genre is evolving. Some poeple don't want it to I suppose. While I'm no fan of Rift whatsoever. Most of the games on Xatsh's list have far superior character development than this game ever will, but I can only speak for TOR definitively.

I love the genre and I will always love FFXI and this game will always have a special place for me. I'm just recognizing the future of the genre and what it holds. Just because I'm excited about TOR doesn't mean I despise the genre. It's taking the genre to some really neat territory.

Oh and just to be clear I despise WoW and it's community. McMMO has done alot of damage to the genre in my opinion, while TOR and GW2 are pushing it into the right direction.

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Originally Posted by Sirakitty

i think everyone who complains here is just impatient... ffxi took years till it is what it is now.SE cant do magic....give it some time. and i like it better if everything comes step by step instead of all at once.therefore u have sumtin to look forward to.

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They also had no experience, and old techniques, a learning curve to go through and -10 years of experience.

Come 10 years on, with the internet taking over lifes, facebook games with more content and a team that should have learnt from their mistakes and where are we at? Back to square 1.

It seems what SE did was for the first 2 years listened to people bitch about XI and then thought "okay we'll make a new game and address all issues of 2003-2004" and now its 2011 all those issues are useless and dont need to be addressed!

I can't believe FFXIV's one year anniversary is swiftly approaching and all that the development team has manged to do in that one year is shrink the game's potential.

Like Ludicrous above, I used to "know" that this game was going somewhere. But now all I know is that the game is going nowhere. It's going nowhere fast.

If a game is going to have quest hubs, then the game needs to be built from scratch with quest hubs in mind. Such things don't really make much sense in FFXIV since FFXIV isn't a quest-centric game. Tacking it on as an afterthought when more important and attractive features could be worked on instead is just appalling decision making. Like, where does SE get off? Ya know?

Until FFXIV can get over its identity crisis and stop trying to out-WoW WoW, maybe we can get back to Tanaka's original vision and make a good game for change.

ArcheAge's Closed Beta 3 commences in 2 weeks. I think we will begin to see what the future of Sandbox MMOs look like. While FFXIV has been twiddling their thumbs trying to make their amazing game into WoW, other next gen titles like ArcheAge, GW2, TERA, and perhaps even SWTOR have been recognising their own personal strengths and pursuing them relentlessly.

SE needs to play to their own strengths instead of trying to handicap themselves further by cheap, uncreative imitation.

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Originally Posted by Onidemon

Crystal tools was created back in 2006, it was named White Engine back then. Development for FFXIV started after crystal tools was completed around the same time. FFXIV has been in development for 5 years.

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Originally Posted by Onidemon

What i posted is what SE stated... google it and you will see. What you said i see that stated by SE nowhere....

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crystal_Tools

you mean this system? seems it was considered unstable for a game platform until 2009......yeah sure it was completed in 2006.........next time you want to tell someone they have no idea what they are talking about you may want to have facts to use.

Stable release 1.1 (in-product) / September, 2009

i'll go even one step further the original 1.0 of this engine you say was early 2006 was released in september 2007 which would be at the very most of 3 years production on game.