What is wrong with this community?

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Originally Posted by Raxion

Well I'm sorry if you took my statement as some sort of personal attack, but it wasn't. I made a counter-statement to yours, nothing more.

Is it not factual that it's easier to contribute nothing, rather than negativity? You definitely interpreted my statement incorrectly.

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My bad thanks for that.

Though id argue it is in fact harder for some to contribute nothing then to contribute negatively because it can give a feeling of power and/or pleasure. Some people crave this so you see trolls like that guy who AFKed just inside the boss room locking the rest of the party out. This kind of stuff isn't rational so rational rules don't always apply.

I have also lost some of my enthusiasm for endgame seeing how some of the people treat each other.
Right now the best thing to do is be nice to the random people you meet in DF. you'd be amazed at the world of difference it makes in people to just see nice people are around.

there is zero recourse to blist/ban these kind of people so people just feel they can troll as much as they want when they want and nothing will happen to them. Some like the OP's tank blame others for their mistakes. this has been a huge issue from day one. EVERYONE you cant think of play this game, trolls, bigots, 10 yr olds who think they are better then you we get them all. all you can do if suck it up, or leave and they know THAT is all we can do at this point.

Until SE implements a ban/kick/blist feature for duty finder we are all stuck with these "people"

Didn't run into many bad eggs until recently. Today's example: Queued up for Ifrit Hardmode with 2 buddies from my FC. one of them is a healer and has been running Ifrit for days straight trying to get his weapon to drop with no luck. Well today it dropped. And he still didn't get it. Why? because there was another white mage in the group and he got it instead. Ok that's fine, frustrating but such are mmos.

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The guy's buddies were total pricks. They barely contributed to the fight and got killed frequently (my friend practically was pulling double duty as the healer). And trashed my buddy going "hope you don't get the roll" and "YEAH <insert F-BOMB here> YOU" afterwards.

I mean really? Was completely uncalled for and they were the ones doing so poorly in the raid. And they got rewarded for nothing and gloated about it.
Some people are just cancerous.

I ran CM all morning no problems no wipes no deaths. All were speed runs. Then I got with this group where the SCH was telling everyone how to do CM (nobody was new) and telling me to play SMN a totaly differnt way than I do in CM, things that just take more time and people wiped over and over and 2nd tank left after being blamed for everthing and then after being told I was a shitty dps because I didnt have dots on all the random mobs "they" had spread out in all four cornner of the map I was nice and raised the SCH and left and went on doing speed runs with others.

I really hope people like this leave. You really dont even have to talk during CM, just do it once and go with it.

And also today I saw a shout from someone saying they got kick out of CM for not having dl armor.....really? You can do this naked lol

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Originally Posted by Raxion

Because they're a decent human being?

Do you go around wasting random people's time and trashing talking the hell out of them for nothing, in your day-to-day life? Common courtesy doesn't stop at the border of your keyboard. People seem to forget that there's actual people behind the character.

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Maybe you misunderstood my statement. Of course We/I don't do those things in public.
But we all know this concept doesn't translate to video games. Don't believe me? Spend an hour playing COD. People are downright mean and abusive over the smallest of things.

Again, I blame the cross server system. People will easily tread on someone's feelings as long as they can hide behind a screen, and especially if they can hide on a different server.

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Originally Posted by Vix_Spellweaver

But we all know this concept doesn't translate to video games. Don't believe me? Spend an hour playing COD. People are downright mean and abusive over the smallest of things.

Again, I blame the cross server system. People will easily tread on someone's feelings as long as they can hide behind a screen, and especially if they can hide on a different server.

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If you're going to blame anything, blame the "But it's only a game, it's not real life!" excuses that eventually become accepted "truths" because they're trundled out so often. Every time you say "Well nobody acts like that IRL, but it's OK because it happens all the time in <INSERT ONLINE GAME HERE> you're -

a) Giving these basement dwellers the A-OK to continue (after all, we *expect* them to behave this way - it's a game, not RL!)
b) Making it harder for people who wish to display basic good manners to say anything against them because after all "It's a game! You have to expect this behaviour!" - meaning rude behaviour and crass language (over a flippin' chest/loot/boss, by The Twelve!) is the accepted norm and to behave otherwise, even in a positive manner, is going against the grain.

It's nothing to do with cross server parties, and everything to do with all of us who stay silent in DF when someone's running their mouth off at a newbie for nothing in particular - if we stop accepting that sort of behaviour then it becomes unacceptable.

To use FFXI as an example - that game now isn't showing a close-knit group of friendly gamers all keen to help each other out (outside of the odd personal LS anyway) because the quality of their server's parties depends on it , it's showing niches within cliques within niches where everyone's got to have the best all the time because they're all so afraid of their server rep. It's not open and friendly where everybody knows your name and gives you a friendly /wave, it's insular and exclusionary.

(I'm using your post as a springboard to further discussion by the way, it's not meant to be an "attack" on your text)

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Originally Posted by Methuselah

That was a really great game

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Great game, true. But the online community is terrible. Angry mail if you lose,Angry mail if you win, Angry mail if you leave a lobby (for any reason). A lot of angry e-thugs, I tell you.

Another WK run with DF, another couple of douche sticks talking crap that i do zero dmg all the while the tank can hold zero hate off the healer. The bard dies on the pudding boss and the tank is mad at me cuz we wiped. Then later the bard starts talking crap to me about how much I suck? These kinda people have nothing better to do then to bring you down to their lvl.

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Originally Posted by Nales

Everyone seems to be so uptight on this game, like i understand it gets frustrating sometimes when your having trouble getting through a dungeon etc but why rage and talk trash, if you know what to do give suggestions on how to accomplish these things

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It not about being uptight. I ran 22 CM's today and i would say out of that total i only had 2 that were good and the last was right before the server dropped the first time, think we got through it with the counter on 89. So many people come in there and just dont give a darn what anything thinks, they show their ass and talk trash, go afk, train people, lock people out of boss fights and the list goes on. I think the reason we have this is because of the DF being cross server, there's no way to make these people pay as it would be if it was a server only DF. I love the "I just reported you" stuff people say, reporting doesnt do anything, if all the RMT spammers still here week after week doesn't show you that i dont know what does.


I know the other choice is to get a LS or FC with people but that doesn't always work so your stuck with DF. With the free time over with for a lot it has helped some, i was reading a post today and a guy was talking about how things were good in the DF till about 4 pm his time and then people just started acting like idiots and he suggested that it was because the kiddies had gotten out of school and i think i have to agree, i ran into a lot more around that time also.