M6s in PF is the most miserable and unfun high end fight in the game

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Originally Posted by Kohashi

Oh please.. as if Snek memes weren't a thing in p8s and most PF's that were "phase 2" were actually a snek prog in disguise. Give me a break..

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Sure, snakes in p8s caused a lot of wipes. P12s was also pretty miserable to progress in pf. These are 4th fights - I find myself more tolerant of this sort of thing in a 4th fight. M6s is a 2nd fight, which I do not think should have such a large roadblock for pf. Also, compared to m6s adds, snakes in p8s were ridiculously easy for pf.

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Originally Posted by -Xenia-

M6s is a 2nd fight, which I do not think should have such a large roadblock for pf. Also, compared to m6s adds, snakes in p8s were ridiculously easy for pf.

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Bonds 3, those turret thingys, Harrowing Hell

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Originally Posted by ForsakenRoe

Bonds 3, those turret thingys, Harrowing Hell

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Turrets never went as badly as people meme'd them out to be really. Moreover, I would get to turrets in most fresh prog parties anyways. Bonds 3 and after was rough but often healer LB3 handled that. As for Harrowing Hell, I don't know if people could manage it without tank LB3 at release but obviously many people didn't have it there anyways because of an earlier healer LB3 and still cleared.

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Originally Posted by -Xenia-

Sure, snakes in p8s caused a lot of wipes. P12s was also pretty miserable to progress in pf. These are 4th fights - I find myself more tolerant of this sort of thing in a 4th fight. M6s is a 2nd fight, which I do not think should have such a large roadblock for pf. Also, compared to m6s adds, snakes in p8s were ridiculously easy for pf.

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P6s vs P7s would like to have a word with you
P10s vs p11s would like to as well.

Anything else? Ah yes, the Snek prior and easy for PF cannot go together, sorry.

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Originally Posted by Kohashi

P6s vs P7s would like to have a word with you
P10s vs p11s would like to as well.

Anything else? Ah yes, the Snek prior and easy for PF cannot go together, sorry.

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Not sure I'd count the Abyssos fights, P6S was a complete joke as soon as you realized there were only two patterns, especially when you cheesed Cachexia 2 like most of party finder.
And the hardest part of P7S was remembering to hold your 6 minute burst until after Immortal's Obol, Harvests weren't particularly difficult either if you used Inumaru instead of Hector.

P5S was probably the bigger wall because people in PF just couldn't do Venom Squall without killing each other consistently.

I just cleared M7s

compared to M6s this fight was a joke, only took me two evenings to clear with group finder, but i was stuck 3 weeks on M6 add phase, this is just insanity.

Joined a Cleavemaxxing ADDS 4 prog party made by a SAM, the entry requirement was 747 IL but despite that we filled pretty quickly.

Before we began the party lead placed down his very weird markers, which looked more like M5S's markers than M6S's. After a small discussion about which markers were better, we agreed to use the normal markers.
First pull we die at cactus because the SAM took his defamation to the stack. This was the first of many incidents that would happen at cactus.
Couple pulls later we still hadn't seen adds due to a series of mess ups.
Eventually though, the party leader (the samurai) started complaining that the healers were "playing their class wrong"
When asked what he meant by that he said, and i kid you not, that "healers aren't supposed to attack the boss, all they should be doing is keeping the party alive and buffing us."
It was at this point one of the healers pointed out that the samurai's IL was actually 738, a far cry from the 747 he put as a requirement. And as if to add salt to the injury, the guy also had no melds.
Upon seeing this the main tank said his piece and promply left the party.
Everyone else followed after him and we disbanded.
We never saw adds.

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Originally Posted by Nuketini

Joined a Cleavemaxxing ADDS 4 prog party made by a SAM, the entry requirement was 747 IL but despite that we filled pretty quickly.

Before we began the party lead placed down his very weird markers, which looked more like M5S's markers than M6S's. After a small discussion about which markers were better, we agreed to use the normal markers.
First pull we die at cactus because the SAM took his defamation to the stack. This was the first of many incidents that would happen at cactus.
Couple pulls later we still hadn't seen adds due to a series of mess ups.
Eventually though, the party leader (the samurai) started complaining that the healers were "playing their class wrong"
When asked what he meant by that he said, and i kid you not, that "healers aren't supposed to attack the boss, all they should be doing is keeping the party alive and buffing us."
It was at this point one of the healers pointed out that the samurai's IL was actually 738, a far cry from the 747 he put as a requirement. And as if to add salt to the injury, the guy also had no melds.
Upon seeing this the main tank said his piece and promply left the party.
Everyone else followed after him and we disbanded.
We never saw adds.

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what you can learn from this is, inspect your party members before the first pull.

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

Not sure I'd count the Abyssos fights, P6S was a complete joke as soon as you realized there were only two patterns, especially when you cheesed Cachexia 2 like most of party finder.
And the hardest part of P7S was remembering to hold your 6 minute burst until after Immortal's Obol, Harvests weren't particularly difficult either if you used Inumaru instead of Hector.

P5S was probably the bigger wall because people in PF just couldn't do Venom Squall without killing each other consistently.

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Why would you even kill anyone with that? All you had to do was sit in your spot and let it resolve..
As for Cahexia, you are right, but that wasn't the sore point of the fight.

The reason why Abyssos was actually difficult compared with other tiers is that it never had looped mechanics. This tier is also very close to that, but a little easier than Abyssos.

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but i was stuck 3 weeks on M6 add phase, this is just insanity.

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People got more gear in 3 weeks, they are still equally bad, but less apparent now.

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Originally Posted by Arohk

I just cleared M7s

compared to M6s this fight was a joke, only took me two evenings to clear with group finder, but i was stuck 3 weeks on M6 add phase, this is just insanity.

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Thats because you missed out on the hard part of M7S. Now that everyone has a lot of gear pieces the DPS check isn't tight. And that was the entire fight's gimmick.