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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

So why does it matter where it came from? If it were so obvious then why doesn't the community follow it?

I'll tell you why, it's because we lack backbone and are too complacent.

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Because it's alot easier to put down a game you've put so much time into. Destiny 2 and Vidictus were like that for me. It's not always about being complacent. Sunk cost is a very real thing and it traps many players

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

While I agree with some of this, this kind of devalues console players when they're a nice chunk of the playerbase. They mess around and rp n such without mods just fine. For the game to become akin to Skyrim folks would have to not have fun with what the game offers anymore. Skyrim doesn't get updates (to my knowledge). XIV does. Also since when has XIV ever been unplayable and where/how would that ever happen in this game? Just wondering

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They clearly don't value midcore players, or people that do want to play an actual MMORPG. What makes you think console players are any different? And I don't mean that game right now is unplayable, but if the game goes in this direction and 7.0 will have new start, with current cadence of content? Then yes, there will be not many things to do, especially for midcore players, so community will be divided even more into Limsa Dwellers and raiders, without anything in between.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

I think Asmongold said it best. If everyone or if 90% of the playerbase actually just quit right now, SE would immediately do a 180 with FFXIV in a heartbeat.

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I see that him saying the most bland, obvious thing anyone with common sense could come up with, but ending up treated as some prophet, is still his thing. Unless he starts to speak about real life things of course, then it goes full 180.

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Originally Posted by Deo14

They clearly don't value midcore players, or people that do want to play an actual MMORPG. What makes you think console players are any different? And I don't mean that game right now is unplayable, but if the game goes in this direction and 7.0 will have new start, with current cadence of content? Then yes, there will be not many things to do, especially for midcore players, so community will be divided even more into Limsa Dwellers and raiders, without anything in between.



I see that him saying the most bland, obvious thing anyone with common sense could come up with, but ending up treated as some prophet, is still his thing. Unless he starts to speak about real life things of course, then it goes full 180.

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I consider myself midcore and things are fine to me. Ofc that's opinions. Much of what you expressed doesn't apply to everyone. And my point still stands. Console take part of these spaces just fine. If you have literally nothing to do that is in fact partially the players problem. It's never a question there being something to do, it's willingness or want to do said things. No real right or wrong there.
I don't Limsa dwell nor do I raid. I run things that I find fun.

I think the game grew significantly with EW for various reasons (culmination of the end of a 9 year story, some WOW backlash and people flooding to XIV to spite wow or just following Asmongold), but has since naturally dropped a bit given we are in the lull between expansions and stabilized.

The stabilization at least financially is still ahead of all the prior expansions, but of course as more people grow bored and discontent with some major decisions - such as the Relic grind and focusing on things like Island, all eyes will be on 7.0 to see how long it stays successful. I'm hopeful but I can understand why some are ambivalent.

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

Because it's alot easier to put down a game you've put so much time into. Destiny 2 and Vidictus were like that for me. It's not always about being complacent. Sunk cost is a very real thing and it traps many players

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wow.. someone else that played Vindictus. I enjoyed that game, its very pretty.... but thats about all it is. the rest is... very different lol

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Originally Posted by Kes13a

wow.. someone else that played Vindictus. I enjoyed that game, its very pretty.... but thats about all it is. the rest is... very different lol

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I just realized I said that wrong but glad you caught my drift lol. It is quite amazing what they managed to pull off look wise with that custom Source engine. The combat itself is amazing but...game turned into a "let's sell ya nipple outfits for 400$" simulator. That and the super steep walls you hit in progression turned me way off eventually.

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Originally Posted by Deo14

If those people will leave, potential success of this game will lie with the Second Life players and those who sub for few months per expansion to do MSQ. If SE wants their game to go that direction, go for it, but this success will be on the shoulders of all the modders which make this game viable alternative to Second Life. It will be another Skyrim, which is boring and barebones, until community makes it playable with all the mods.

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Skyrim mods are infinitely more sophisticated than FF14 mods though. FF14 mods are mostly just glams and UI. Skyrim mods change the entire gameplay:

https://youtu.be/pPHTJo-d2YY?t=188

FF14 will never reach Skyrim levels because whatever modders do they can't change how horrible and braindead job design is (except maybe MNK and BLM), how one-note and stale modern raid design is, and how unincentivized gameplay content is like Criterion. Skyrim mods can actually improve the gameplay. FF14 can't.

Sad to say but modded Skyrim is unironically more fun than FF14 in 2023 rofl

https://i.ibb.co/5j0wrdM/image-2023-07-20-105323560.png
Let's be real we are all only here to ERP and stay connected to static friends from 2 expansions ago.

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

I consider myself midcore and things are fine to me. Ofc that's opinions. Much of what you expressed doesn't apply to everyone. And my point still stands. Console take part of these spaces just fine. If you have literally nothing to do that is in fact partially the players problem. It's never a question there being something to do, it's willingness or want to do said things. No real right or wrong there.
I don't Limsa dwell nor do I raid. I run things that I find fun.

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No need to go into hyperboles, I'm sure some people who consider themselves midcore are having fun, but if you look around in forums and reddits, you cannot deny content could be designed better for us.

Variant is hyper casual, while criterion has 2 savage difficulties. What's the deal with this, why is there always insane gap between easy and hard content? Relic "grind" is not a grind, it's by-product of you running your daily roulettes. A participation trophy, if you will. Not a fan of BLU, but from what I've heard, update isn't really breathtaking, but I might give it a shot. IS is just badly designed, I like farming and similar, but it just missed the mark completely, I just go there once a two weeks, if I don't forget about it completely. It's neither relaxing or interesting, it's just clicking on nodes, copy pasting spreadsheets from discord and that's about it. Tried to get into EO, but it's full of gotcha mechanics. Not a fan of losing hours of progress, just because I didn't had guide on a second screen. I find crafting fun, but there's not much to craft after first week of raid tier. I'll make next step of crafter relics and won't use them for much, that's about it.

Problem is that I want to play the game, but there's simply not much to do. In GW2, I always had plenty of stuff to do, I was naturally burning out while playing it. After 3-6 months, I started to enjoy it less and less, and eventually swapped to other games, and that's completely fine, after few months, I returned with full energy, and none of my progress was lost, since the game is horizontal. In FFXIV, I feel like I'm being forced to stop playing, since there just isn't anything meaningful to do. I would get it if each major and .x5 patch a gave us at least 1 month of meaningful gameplay, but it's really 1 or 2 weeks tops.

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Originally Posted by Koros

Skyrim mods are infinitely more sophisticated than FF14 mods though. FF14 mods are mostly just glams and UI. Skyrim mods change the entire gameplay:

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Don't worry, I'm fully aware of that, I have 252 GB Skyrim installation on my PC right now, and that's after I deleted downloaded archives to save some space. Both games focus on different stuff, there's more choice in clothing (or lack of clothing) and similar in FFXIV, while Skyrim has more gameplay-altering stuff. FFXIV is very limited in that sense, but because of this limitation, it's really surprising how popular FFXIV is for modding.

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Originally Posted by Deo14

No need to go into hyperboles, I'm sure some people who consider themselves midcore are having fun, but if you look around in forums and reddits, you cannot deny content could be designed better for us.

Variant is hyper casual, while criterion has 2 savage difficulties. What's the deal with this, why is there always insane gap between easy and hard content? Relic "grind" is not a grind, it's by-product of you running your daily roulettes. A participation trophy, if you will. Not a fan of BLU, but from what I've heard, update isn't really breathtaking, but I might give it a shot. IS is just badly designed, I like farming and similar, but it just missed the mark completely, I just go there once a two weeks, if I don't forget about it completely. It's neither relaxing or interesting, it's just clicking on nodes, copy pasting spreadsheets from discord and that's about it. Tried to get into EO, but it's full of gotcha mechanics. Not a fan of losing hours of progress, just because I didn't had guide on a second screen. I find crafting fun, but there's not much to craft after first week of raid tier. I'll make next step of crafter relics and won't use them for much, that's about it.

Problem is that I want to play the game, but there's simply not much to do. In GW2, I always had plenty of stuff to do, I was naturally burning out while playing it. After 3-6 months, I started to enjoy it less and less, and eventually swapped to other games, and that's completely fine, after few months, I returned with full energy, and none of my progress was lost, since the game is horizontal. In FFXIV, I feel like I'm being forced to stop playing, since there just isn't anything meaningful to do. I would get it if each major and .x5 patch a gave us at least 1 month of meaningful gameplay, but it's really 1 or 2 weeks tops.





Don't worry, I'm fully aware of that, I have 252 GB Skyrim installation on my PC right now, and that's after I deleted downloaded archives to save some space. Both games focus on different stuff, there's more choice in clothing (or lack of clothing) and similar in FFXIV, while Skyrim has more gameplay-altering stuff. FFXIV is very limited in that sense, but because of this limitation, it's really surprising how popular FFXIV is for modding.

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FF14 just has better clothing really, even for ERP, the body textures and [redacted] 18+ animations are better in Skyrim, all those [redacted] "movies" are made in Skyrim, some FF14 modders even stole assets from Skyrim modders, it's pathetic

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Originally Posted by Koros

FF14 just has better clothing really, even for ERP, the body textures and [redacted] 18+ animations are better in Skyrim, all those [redacted] "movies" are made in Skyrim, some FF14 modders even stole assets from Skyrim modders, it's pathetic

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FFXIV modding is simply popular because it's online. Sure, you can do so much more stuff in Skyrim, but in here you can do things with other people, with that mare lamentorum you can even sync with other players, which I don't think is very possible in Skyrim. There's that online mod, but even if it did worked flawlessly with other mods, then you will still need to find other players to ERP with you.