Sick of the christforsaken Nightclubs

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

You are aware venues do giveaways for 10s-100s of millions of gil for their customers right? .....

What do you mean earning gil isn't a motivation for people who go there? XD
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As far as boring, I can counter that with standing around bees kneeing in the corner afk while hardly anyone talks around you is boring as well?

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I don't call it RP anymore, it's clubbing. That's all it is. Where is the RP when the room is silent outside of like two people at the bar while everyone else is afk?

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If people wanna complain about the state of the RP scene, they're right to because it's a shell of its former self now. It's literally like trying to find a piece of hay in a pile of needles (and yes, I know I switched the original quote around) because hardly anyone actually does legit RP anymore. It's depressing because before covid hit, there were enough non-club venues to balance it out. Now it's just....pages and pages of afking to a random DJ.

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I am aware yes :p but like I said one out of 100 goers win that gil. most of people go there because they want to be there for reasons that dont include getting gil from my perspective. and even if it was the main reason people go there, other venues could do the same "yeah come visit my cafe blabla, we'll give away hella gil" you could even fit that in RP narative.

and yeah people standing around /beekneeing is boring to me, but we're not talking about me here, we're talking about other people. but afaik people who stand afk dancing have conversations in /tell so maybe its not as boring for them.

and about last part, people can complain all they want but ultimately they're not doing anything to change the state of their complaint subject. like I said, no one's stopping anyone from opening a tea house or cafe or whatever.
you could do it for example, and there were quiet a few people who had interest in it, so they'd visit your place right? so what exactly is an issue, if the interest is there.

like clearly, there're plenty of people who want "cafe-RP hubs", I've even seen few of those in game, been in two, they exist, people just dont visit those as much, and then said people complain that "cafe RP is dead" which makes little sense to me.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

Everywhere on NA is infested with it, check out Primal too sometime.

As far as the others and the points made, no I don't personally visit Balmung in my free time but I watch friends go on stream and see the tells that are sent to them. *shrug*

If you haven't had that experience, cool I guess. I'm glad that you've avoided being harassed. Doesn't mean others haven't and also haven't been solicited out of nowhere by random people. Hell, I was on Zalera for a few months and got hit on out of nowhere when in major cities on more than one occasion. It is what it is I guess.

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I'm at least 95% sure that all those tells are coming from Wanderers and Travelers, and the 5% from Balmung are likely alts of people who wouldn't be caught dead on "the erp server" on their main or people who have heard so much about the crap reputation that other people gave us for no friggin reason so they made their main there to be a jerk, since most actual rpers have the common decency to not just proposition random people. So why is it Balmung's fault? That's like going to someone else's house, pooping on their floor in plain view of every other guest, and then going "EW THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE POOP ON THE FLOOR DO YOU SEE THAT???" and blaming it on the people who live there. Zalera also =/= Balmung, so if you're going to start blaming Balmung for things that happen on Zalera, there's a problem. If y'all would stop blaming us for everything, the "reputation" that we got from everyone else going "haha ew 'rp' uh huh" for a decade would finally go the heck away and we'd stop having sex tourists harassing people who don't want the harassment on Balmung either.

Stop being a part of the problem. Thanks for coming to my very annoyed TED talk.

To keep this on topic and not directed at who I quoted, stop the annoying multi-line ads, stop spamming the PF with multiple entries for your nightclub.

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Originally Posted by rainichan

I'm at least 95% sure that all those tells are coming from Wanderers and Travelers, and the 5% from Balmung are likely alts of people who wouldn't be caught dead on "the erp server" on their main or people who have heard so much about the crap reputation that other people gave us for no friggin reason so they made their main there to be a jerk, since most actual rpers have the common decency to not just proposition random people. So why is it Balmung's fault? That's like going to someone else's house, pooping on their floor in plain view of every other guest, and then going "EW THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE POOP ON THE FLOOR DO YOU SEE THAT???" and blaming it on the people who live there. Zalera also =/= Balmung, so if you're going to start blaming Balmung for things that happen on Zalera, there's a problem. If y'all would stop blaming us for everything, the "reputation" that we got from everyone else going "haha ew 'rp' uh huh" for a decade would finally go the heck away and we'd stop having sex tourists harassing people who don't want the harassment on Balmung either.

Stop being a part of the problem. Thanks for coming to my very annoyed TED talk.

To keep this on topic and not directed at who I quoted, stop the annoying multi-line ads, stop spamming the PF with multiple entries for your nightclub.

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I didn't read most of that, just gonna be honest. Ultimately your opinion isn't going to change mine but if you don't agree with me that's fine too. The rep has existed for much longer than I've been in the game and I've seen it first hand from Balmung residents (alts or not, that's not really my problem). Can't change my opinion when I've seen it with my own eyes.

Clean up the server then and offer more than a stereotype/the reputation and maybe people won't feel a need to go there just for that. It really seems like the residents are fine with it when I see people/friends of mine streaming there and giving gil to them for doing random things: ranging from meme worthy to actual ERP. Telling me off won't fix the actual problem nor do I even go there on any sort of regular basis so what exactly will it accomplish?

Both sides need to be accountable, it's not just tourists. Stop encouraging the problem to continue as well. I'm down to just drop the topic though since I feel like we're just gonna go back and forth with no resolution and we both have better things to do than that.

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Originally Posted by Bukachu

I've never seen more than 2 adds for anything ever whatsoever, and even that is pretty rare even in peak hours.

that considering I use "other" field for my own add too so im there a lot. (Im advertising housing comissions, dont have anything to do clubs).

It sounds more like an excuse to me as to why certain venues arent popular. I mean you could have a cafe, advertise for it in PF and then once in a while in /yell or /shout whichever the orange letter one is, and ta-dam that's what most of the clubs do.

are there some bad apples that use yell more often than others? sure.

Is that the reason why cafes arent popular? not really, there's plenty of room for both.

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It might be more of an NA problem but we definitely get 3+ ads on venues frequently with PF pages running into the 4+ range (at least on Aether). Since ours gets so long people feel a need to multi-post to keep their ads relevant and it also really makes it hard for any places that don't follow the same idea to thrive. I'll try to grab a screen sometime but not sure how much I can really show with needing to keep names and such hidden on here.

Let's just who isn't the place's owner or the FC master, will get an account strike (shout or pf, if reported) and this thing will solve in a matter of minutes.

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Originally Posted by LalaRu

Let's just who isn't the place's owner or the FC master, will get an account strike (shout or pf, if reported) and this thing will solve in a matter of minutes.

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Ah nice. So, I could track down a nightclub in PF, and send out random shouts in towns getting a strike against the FC master, even if I didn't know the FC master?

Seems ripe for abuse that does.

Plus, why does it matter if these people are shouting something? Assume they are not spamming.

You can easily ignore them. Advertisements make the world come alive. Although, I suppose a lot of people here seem to want a dead zone chat.

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Originally Posted by PirateRyanG

I could track down a nightclub in PF, and send out random shouts in towns getting a strike against the FC master

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Probably you did read too fast. If you run the PF or do the shouts and you aren't the owner, you get it, not him/her.

But, on second thought, that is not much feasible. Because owning a place with multiple people inside to help you, makes you have not much room to go around sending shouts. Probably you still can have your PF up but your time will be likely into your place to coordinate everyone's efforts.

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Let's just don't forget the OP is about all that spam. I agree about multiple pf entries for the same place are cluttering, unnecessary, and also are detrimental to the little venues without any staff than the owner, that probably did put all her/his effort to have it to just have fun this way, to find her/his place desert because it is a drop in the ocean on 1,000 ads of the ONE big venue.

And shout spam is terrible too. As if hammering my chat log with your damned place will automatically have me get there. If you spam your place in my face, I probably will know what place I never will want to go. You can giveaway 1 billion Gil but you don't see me there.

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Originally Posted by PirateRyanG

You can easily ignore them. Advertisements make the world come alive. Although, I suppose a lot of people here seem to want a dead zone chat.

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Except they aren't cause chat is in a corner of the screen and the color of shout chat catches my eye. Also, I use Shout Chat to watch for hunt trains, other stuff. I don't want a dead zone chat, I want a chat filled with people talking, not unskippable ads. I get enough of those in youtube.

Again, not a single Pro-Nightclub post here has even suggested any kind of solution to the Big Nightclubs cluttering PF with THE SAME ADS FOR THREE OR FOUR ENTRIES, the SPAM IN SHOUT CHAT, or anythign else I made this thread for. I've got no issues with you guys liking them. Just want the spam to stop.

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Originally Posted by RoadGGG

Except they aren't cause chat is in a corner of the screen and the color of shout chat catches my eye. Also, I use Shout Chat to watch for hunt trains, other stuff. I don't want a dead zone chat, I want a chat filled with people talking, not unskippable ads. I get enough of those in youtube.

Again, not a single Pro-Nightclub post here has even suggested any kind of solution to the Big Nightclubs cluttering PF with THE SAME ADS FOR THREE OR FOUR ENTRIES, the SPAM IN SHOUT CHAT, or anythign else I made this thread for. I've got no issues with you guys liking them. Just want the spam to stop.

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Then I want the shout spam for hunt trains and people searching for parties to stop.

I don't enjoy that part of the game, and therefore it shouldn't clog up my feed because only stuff I want to see should be there.

I mean, that's the argument that you are making. I'll make the same one. It's a ridiculous argument, isn't it ?

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Originally Posted by PirateRyanG

Then I want the shout spam for hunt trains and people searching for parties to stop.

I don't enjoy that part of the game, and therefore it shouldn't clog up my feed because only stuff I want to see should be there.

I mean, that's the argument that you are making. I'll make the same one. It's a ridiculous argument, isn't it ?

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Except Hunt Trains don't spam every area every single 10 minutes. It's a poor comparison because of that one fact.

EDIT: Hunt Trains ALSO have their own section of Party Finder as well and don't make finding non Nightclub venues difficult.