Mods and cheat engine

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Originally Posted by JadedPurity

Worse things have been going on for years, but no. Ledge sitting is the straw that breaks the camels back. You ppl have wierd priorities.

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Probably because it's the easiest and most obvious visual clue that someone is modifying their game files.
That is what cheat engine does. It modifies game files/game process and everyone can see it and everyone knows it.
I don't really care tbh but people wanna be seen so they get seen lol.

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Originally Posted by VirusOnline

Probably because it's the easiest and most obvious visual clue that someone is modifying their game files.
That is what cheat engine does. It modifies game files/game process and everyone can see it and everyone knows it.
I don't really care tbh but people wanna be seen so they get seen lol.

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Yes, but this is minimal compared to other things (that SE knows about has has ALWAYS known about, and does nothing about as long as people keep quiet.) If they were going to do something it would have started there. Theyre not going to pick out people harmlessly sitting on ledges as the first thing they address. When people come here to complain about things that dont affect them in any way, my first thought will always be theyre just mad that they can't do it too. They dont care one bit that people are modifying files. They only care because they can't join the club and if they could they would be right on post just like this one telling the poster to stop crying and suck it up.

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Originally Posted by JadedPurity

Yes, but this is minimal compared to other things (that SE knows about has has ALWAYS known about, and does nothing about as long as people keep quiet.) If they were going to do something it would have started there. Theyre not going to pick out people harmlessly sitting on ledges as the first thing they address. When people come here to complain about things that dont affect them in any way, my first thought will always be theyre just mad that they can't do it too. They dont care one bit that people are modifying files. They only care because they can't join the club and if they could they would be right on post just like this one telling the poster to stop crying and suck it up.

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Who knows. It's the whole Limsa bean mindset really and I don't care for it personally.
I mean look at parsers. No one would know unless you said something, but people still piss and moan about some unseen threat to their ego lol.

Then again, this is interesting.
The ledge sit is quite innocent despite the fact that it does go against ToS and may be doing more.
I won't presume to know how it all works, but I'm making an assumption that these type of mods like the ledge sit that affect what other players can see is a result of it sending information to the server itself meaning this is not a mod that's affecting the user's own client but actually sending faulty information to a server that is not your IP/personal hardware. It's one thing to modify your own client, it's another to send modified information to a server.

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Originally Posted by LittleImp

Lord, at this rate we're going to have aimbotters crying they're being gatekept.

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I'm sorry but how does seeing cast bars and a bit of summary text equate to an aimbot?

It's not resolving the mechanics

It's not playing the game

It's not doing anything but giving a weak auras style bit of text and having information presented

That is already readily available!

Why do you hate that? Why would you even think that cheating? Dangerous road your walking because ACT is the tool that you have reading your network files and you use it, so technically would that not be you cheating as well? To gather information from a set of third party tools to understand your performance and improve it?

Now, if the tool was literally telling me exactly where to stand, what to do, everything like it's holding my hand through the fight. Then you have a point.

It literally doesn't do that. I still have to pay attention to what's going on, where I need to be, what I need to do and I don't need the tool for any of that

Oh and btw 99 parse results? Someone uses the tool themselves for optimizing don't they? Go on, you can admit it and feel no shame for doing so

Because if your shot caller is using it (which you already admitted it was happening due to a cancelled Tuesday raid because it wasn't updated)

You're using it because they're using it to optimise their callouts to you, making it easier for you to play optimally.

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Originally Posted by VirusOnline

The ledge sit is quite innocent despite the fact that it does go against ToS and may be doing more.
I won't presume to know how it all works, but I'm making an assumption that these type of mods like the ledge sit that affect what other players can see is a result of it sending information to the server itself meaning this is not a mod that's affecting the user's own client but actually sending faulty information to a server that is not your IP/personal hardware. It's one thing to modify your own client, it's another to send modified information to a server.

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While I can not speak for the Cheat Engine method, the same can be replicated by hex editing the hotbar file in your My Games folder. The /sit and /doze emotes function as shortcuts and the game (client) will decide which actual emote to send to the server. If the client detects you sitting on a chair, you'll play the chairsit emote. If not, you get the groundsit emote.

You hex edit a hotbar slot to make you play the chairsit emote directly rather than the normal /sit shortcut. The server will accept this input since /chairsit is a legitimate emote and the server does not care to double check if you are in fact on a chair.
If I wanted to I could back up my hotbar file to SE's servers using the character select screen and load it up on my Playstation and proceed to chairsit anywhere on the Playstation version of the game. No network hacking required in the slightest. Just manually firing an emote that is normally only fired through /sit or /doze. I imagine the Cheat Engine version does just this as well?

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

As much as I wish that was the case, the whole "innocent until proven guilty" factor means you are much more likely to get punished for calling out an obvious cheater then they are for cheating.

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But doing an illegal action in public will raise questions. Some will ask how they do it, some will tell "maybe it's not smart doing so" because they simply are afraid, they might be banned. Reading the Rules & Policies as a reminder.

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2.1 Cheating and Botting. You may not create or use any unauthorized cheats, bots, automation software, hacks, mods or any other unauthorized software or hardware designed to modify the Game and gameplay. In addition, you may not take advantage of game system bugs and exploits during gameplay.

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2.6 Hacking and Circumvention. You may not hack, disassemble, decompile, or otherwise modify the Game or server computer code, whether the Game code is located on a DVD, Blu-rayTM disc, your computer/console or on Square Enix's servers, except as expressly permitted by Square Enix or applicable law.

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Originally Posted by JanVanding

I'm sorry but how does seeing cast bars and a bit of summary text equate to an aimbot?

It's not resolving the mechanics

It's not playing the game

It's not doing anything but giving a weak auras style bit of text and having information presented

That is already readily available!

Why do you hate that? Why would you even think that cheating? Dangerous road your walking because ACT is the tool that you have reading your network files and you use it, so technically would that not be you cheating as well? To gather information from a set of third party tools to understand your performance and improve it?

Now, if the tool was literally telling me exactly where to stand, what to do, everything like it's holding my hand through the fight. Then you have a point.

It literally doesn't do that. I still have to pay attention to what's going on, where I need to be, what I need to do and I don't need the tool for any of that

Oh and btw 99 parse results? Someone uses the tool themselves for optimizing don't they? Go on, you can admit it and feel no shame for doing so

Because if your shot caller is using it (which you already admitted it was happening due to a cancelled Tuesday raid because it wasn't updated)

You're using it because they're using it to optimise their callouts to you, making it easier for you to play optimally.

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I always had the believe that using cactbot is cheating the learning process, not the end result. Cheating as in taking an unintended shortcut. But in the end I dont think you have any real advantage over someone just playing and knowing the fight well. It is kinda cringe however if someone has to cancel raid days because cactbot isnt updated.

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Originally Posted by Saraide

I always had the believe that using cactbot is cheating the learning process, not the end result. Cheating as in taking an unintended shortcut. But in the end I dont think you have any real advantage over someone just playing and knowing the fight well. It is kinda cringe however if someone has to cancel raid days because cactbot isnt updated.

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Now that is a more fair analysis, that it does assist speeding up the learning process and I completely agree that people being that reliant on it that they can't raid without it probably need to be made to run without it.

There seems to be a part in yoshi p’s statement that includes about things being ok if it’s not modifying anything. But I guess we’ll just pretend that part doesn’t exist as it goes against the narrative

Edit: reading further into it, he said pertaining to calculators, to please don’t use them. External tools are prohibited and you can get banned.

He said discord and stuff are fine, but not the others people seem so set on defending and manipulating yoshi’s statements

People are just trying to justify it considering that they are feeling forced to use things like lag compensators just to play MCH and the like properly.