SE.. You have tailed races, you know?

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

Everyone loves forgetting about us.

What I love the most is when we have a problem, voice it, are told to shut up, and then SE does something to those other races and they pikachu-face like they didn't see it coming.

Issue is that this tail thing was already a thing before Viera or Hrothgar were announced, along with Miqo'te ears being cut off and Au Ra horns clipping in weird places altogether.

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Don't worry, I don't. :)

Yeah, they had stopped largely accommodating racial features, including tail accommodation - which literally usually amounts to a bow or something to hide any clipping (apparently, doing that is too much), but there weren't so many capes until this expansion. Don't get me wrong, capes can look good. For example, the sheer cape on the tank chest in Aglaia. It is very nice, and since it is split it works for tailed races (although au ra tails, at least, clip through the metal, but I digress). The problem is capes largely DON'T look good in this game, and are literally, like, glued to your butt. Frankly, they look terrible even if you play a race without a tail.

Bro we can't have shit anymore. Look at the ARR gearsets; the tailed races have dedicated holes in the back for the tail to loop through. Races with long ears like elezen and miqo'te had dedicated spaces in their helmets for their ears to specifically go. Gear was outfitted with the different races in mind. I think whoever cared enough to do that must've left the company and forgot to tell his/her coworkers how to do that sort of thing, because going forward that kind of gear just stopped being a thing, and now we get races that seem unfinished. It's okay though. Because the new meta is, instead of addressing the issue... just design weird workarounds! Hats clipping poorly on some races and unwearable on others? Just give the players tiaras and visors instead of full helmets. Hairstyles clipping and making your art team feel great shame? Just stop giving people long hair options.

I don't think SE appreciates just how low player expectations are at the moment. Most of us would be fine with clipping and would even just work around it ourselves, so long as we had the option to do that. I don't care if a hairstyle clips. If the hairstyle looks nice enough, I'll reorganize my glam plates around it. And I can't speak for all viera, but the ones I know at least have all said that they don't really care if their ears poke through their hat as long as they can just wear the damn hat.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Don't worry, I don't. :)

Yeah, they had stopped largely accommodating racial features, including tail accommodation - which literally usually amounts to a bow or something to hide any clipping (apparently, doing that is too much), but there weren't so many capes until this expansion. Don't get me wrong, capes can look good. For example, the sheer cape on the tank chest in Aglaia. It is very nice, and since it is split it works for tailed races (although au ra tails, at least, clip through the metal, but I digress). The problem is capes largely DON'T look good in this game, and are literally, like, glued to your butt. Frankly, they look terrible even if you play a race without a tail.

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That's because, save for stuff that's heavily animated, this game tends to do models out of cardboard. Which, I get, the game is pretty but still has to be playable (or we end up with the 1000 polygon vase case from 1.0 again). Meaning capes will naturally appear like they're made of plastic. They can move, but it's not like proper fabric, and just dangles a little while still hard-stuck to you. Which, again, makes sense given the nature of the game.

Are the Au Ra tails having issues across every option? Or is it just happening in those really thick or overly-spiky options?

On the races thing... I know you do. It's just... eh. I'm used to it. I just rather not always have to be the one nag going into threads and be like "Remember Hrothgars exist" to make people realize "Oh sh** yeah you guys have this problem too!". More often than not, Viera-made threads are a coin-flip on whether they mention us or not. And Miqo'te or Au Ra-made threads tend to only reference eachother, but almost never any other race. Of course though, this makes sense because naturally those players aren't the sort of players that would go for races like Hrothgar or Roegadyn. But it doesn't hurt to ask. I know we're rare, but we're not that rare.

And I feel like part of the reason the devs are so surprised about Hrothgar feedback not matching what they feel is because on top of us being a quiet race, other races typically leave us out of complaints that would naturally also include us. We have tails too, yet people assume that it's only a problem for Miqos or Au Ra. (feel free to disagree, naturally)

Though what I wrote was more so on people not realizing that they're on a similar boat :T
Like... Viera also get comments like "Don't play X race if you don't like the limitations".

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Originally Posted by Avoidy

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I do agree in general, but I can tell you: I personally prefer them making more tiaras and the like! :p Although, I do believe that they SHOULD just include adjustments to pieces to accommodate racial features - at least in iconic pieces. Not ear clipping for viera, but something that looks good. It's ridiculous the amount of things that just clip (LIKE TAILS), but potentially aren't giving us longer hair options because of clipping. It's baffling.

I think SE does, and they try to get away with doing less because of it. They seem to be surprised quite often on the occasion the playerbase speaks up about something. Such as with the hrothgar situation.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

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If they cannot add a toggle, the simple solution is just to cut on the amount of capes. This expansion is literally THE cape expansion.

Yeah, it's unfortunate. I think it hurts every race to just accept lesser quality, regardless of if it's on hrothgar, viera, or au ra and miqo'te. Everyone is in that "similar boat".

As for au ra tail clipping, I generally think it's not as bad as miqo'te, but it's kind of a coin flip. I think it's due to the position of the tail. I'm not sure about that one fatter tail option, as I've never used it.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

I do agree in general, but I can tell you: I personally prefer them making more tiaras and the like! :p Although, I do believe that they SHOULD just include adjustments to pieces to accommodate racial features - at least in iconic pieces. Not ear clipping for viera, but something that looks good. It's ridiculous the amount of things that just clip (LIKE TAILS), but potentially aren't giving us longer hair options because of clipping. It's baffling.

I think SE does, and they try to get away with doing less because of it. They seem to be surprised quite often on the occasion the playerbase speaks up about something. Such as with the hrothgar situation.

If they cannot add a toggle, the simple solution is just to cut on the amount of capes. This expansion is literally THE cape expansion.

Yeah, it's unfortunate. I think it hurts every race to just accept lesser quality, regardless of if it's on hrothgar, viera, or au ra and miqo'te. Everyone is in that "similar boat".

As for au ra tail clipping, I generally think it's not as bad as miqo'te, but it's kind of a coin flip. I think it's due to the position of the tail. I'm not sure about that one fatter tail option, as I've never used it.

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TBH I had hope for this expansion on tails when I saw that the DRK AF actually had tail armor on it when doing the MSQ at launch. However the fending and maiming sets of the first tomestone gear set just erased tails in order to place the cape.

I'm glad I'm not the only one bothered by this, it looks so tacky and honestly severely bothers me, when I first started the game as a miqote I had to use a fantasia due to the severe amount of tail clipping ;_;