FIX GARUDA!!!

Hardly call it end game...

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Originally Posted by Neurosis

But if I'm understanding the fix correctly even having one war. And having them aoe one side of the plumes and having any other class aoe others. If the weapon skills are not going through the pillars this is going to cause a few issues.

Bring out the elitist people who will complain that if you do not have triple melded gear you are fail. Blah blah blah blah
I'm beyond tired of hearing this. But I am more than willing to bet that's exactly what is going to happen.

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This depends on how the fight will be tuned at the end of the day. Though your concerns are part of the reason I am weary of the materia system. I saw this coming when I knew you could stack materia with the chance of failure on to the same item, which as I noted long ago, copies the enchant system from Lineage II. I was just thinking of the economic aspect and not thinking of how it would affect gameplay.

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Originally Posted by Velhart

BLM will always outshine melee on that perspective, which is fine, you have to manage hate and MP to be efficient. However, to the extent that they completely outshine melee in the damage perspective is unsettling. Like someone said, you can't just gimp BLM, because it would be ToAU all over again. What you need to do is make melee better, simply put. Maybe not be so position heavy in melee combos, but rather do "More damage if attacked from the side.", this would keep the positioning system and make combos not such a hassle for melee.

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I agree that melee has some built-in disadvantage. It is becoming quite apparent.

That being said, I disagree with the comment on BLM. TAU created magic resistant mobs, which really is no different than nerfing BLM's damage output. What killed the job wasn't that part of the change, but the fact that it was the only change to the job, so instead of balance what they got is a heavily nerfed BLM and left it to its fate. Like cutting off a bird's wings and leaving it in the middle of the forest.

You can adjust BLM's damage potential, or reduce its burst in some way, but you'd also need other changes so that the job still has controlled burst damage when called for, but not to the point its range advantage and DPS makes melee classes obsolete or highly undesired. If BLM is currently 95% burst and 5% DoT (these are made up numbers, by the way), the scales need to shift so that BLM is 60% burst and 40% DoT.

That aside, I agree that overly melee-unfriendly is not the way to go. I figured Matsui would have learned that from FFXI (if any of you wonder why I name him so much, he's the battle designer).

if plame, not get destoyby one any aoe ws. i thing it hardly to invite mnk or drg.. coz need war to steel~ or rain of dead to clear razor

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Originally Posted by Zezil

if plame, not get destoyby one any aoe ws. i thing it hardly to invite mnk or drg.. coz need war to steel~ or rain of dead to clear razor

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Originally Posted by Zezil

if plame, not get destoyby one any aoe ws. i thing it hardly to invite mnk or drg.. coz need war to steel~ or rain of dead to clear razor

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gimme a minute i will decode this.

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Originally Posted by Zezil

if plame, not get destoyby one any aoe ws. i thing it hardly to invite mnk or drg.. coz need war to steel~ or rain of dead to clear razor

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I read this 5 minutes ago but I'm still trying to translate it.

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Originally Posted by viion

gimme a minute i will decode this.

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It's fairly obvious, what he is saying is if invite mnk or drg no steel only auo pulf and plame, no destoyby wall fell over so goradu blast~ too many strong.

Know what I mean?

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Originally Posted by Zezil

if plame, not get destoyby one any aoe ws. i thing it hardly to invite mnk or drg.. coz need war to steel~ or rain of dead to clear razor

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I don't care where you're from, but this is the English section, so please speak English when posting here (or even Engrish is acceptable), or don't post here at all. Otherwise, go to whatever section that suits your language and speak there. Thanks.

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Originally Posted by Baxta

It's fairly obvious, what he is saying is if invite mnk or drg no steel only auo pulf and plame, no destoyby wall fell over so goradu blast~ too many strong.

Know what I mean?

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i know what you mean, when i imagine gummy bears.

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Originally Posted by Zezil

if plame, not get destoyby one any aoe ws. i thing it hardly to invite mnk or drg.. coz need war to steel~ or rain of dead to clear razor

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You guys are mean. He is saying warriors are AOE monsters (AOE being necessary, or at the very least, extremely efficient against Razor Plumes) because of Steel Cyclone, which in turn causes most players to overlook the usefulness of Monk or Dragoon, although no one doubts their ability to deal damage.
Zezil, I think you articulated your point very well.
What should be considered, however, is monk has Aura Pulse (which, I know, is a weak argument for monks area of effect prowess) and Dragoons actually have several AOE options (Leg Sweep, Ring of Talons and even an AOE 15 minute ability)

As far as the BLM burn... honestly, every class has that DPS potential.
While tanking during a BLM burn I did 13k and the BLMs were at 20k
Imagine not tanking and getting to realize the full potential of combos

Honestly, there is a place for all classes on Garuda if players would open their minds...

That was enlightening... Well said Zezil