SMN Why don't we hear about egi glamours anymore?

I mean, I'm totally fine with NT Yuna as inspiration too, where each spell is a clear Primal one while you have the one key summon. But I feel that would take a bit more shifting in some ways. But basically I just want to see Summons actually be more important to the job, and not in an invocation style (while neat and acceptable Summons are evocations in terms of ceremonial stuff, at least when a Summoner does them), or at least not solely that. It would also allow every summon to get some attention, as there are quite a lot of them to go through. And doubtless some fan favorites still haven't even been touched.

The OP alluded to past summons; I think that would be cool if SMN could summon things from other games like Espers. I like how the Tonberry is a summon in FF7, or Cebrebus in VIII. Creatures that many don't consider true summons.

I would like it if they pay homage to XI. Like having Yaguado and Quadav as summons. I feel like summons do not always have to be some epic lore story-line. That was never the case in past FF games. Some of the summons made no sense lol.

The beauty of things like a Yagudo or Tonberry, is they can be on screen full time due to their size while also being aesthetically pleasing. You could even get cute with it, making SMN the Super Smash Bros of FF, with summons from crossover events like how they had a Dragon Quest and XIV creatures playable in XI's Monstrosity mode.

Oh man a Tonberry summon would be so hilarious, slowly creeping toward the enemy one step at a time until *poke* MASSIVE DAMAGE. Kinda like old school Doom from WoW but without the demon popping out and murdering everyone, and much more aesthetically pleasing.

I feel like the mixed direction of job design is why we never really hear about egi glam anymore. The closer we get to a rotating cycle of demi-primals, the less egi matter. Without knowing what the job's thematic direction will be moving forward (we've seen major reworks for other jobs, so it's at least a possibility regardless of how slim), there isn't a reason to have the egi glam convo if it turns out that dev time/cost is better spent elsewhere. Besides, as it is, of the 3 egi regardless of glam, only 2 are viable, and each has a niche, so it's not like you can use whichever one you want whenever you want to.

The "rework the job to make summons/summon attacks the thematic toolkit" is a personal favorite of mine, and I think has merit and can be done well in this game with the roster of primals we've encountered through the story. Since the job's lore revolves around being steeped in primal aether, there's a strong case to be made that we have been VERY sufficiently steeped in lots of different primal aether and should be able to achieve channeling that aether into the same/similar spells/temporary quick summons using personal aether (obviously toned down to appropriate potencies). Really, it's the DoTs and DoT-centric stuff that needs to find a home on a new job for real change to happen for SMN.

I'd be perfectly fine if they got rid of the Egis honestly, so not hearing any rumors involving Egi glamours is actually good news for me.

Make something like Demi Nidhogg happen and give us a fully alternating Demi rotation.
That would feel like a real SMN to me. The Egis are graphically outdated and are overstaying at this point.

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Originally Posted by Gallus

I'd be perfectly fine if they got rid of the Egis honestly, so not hearing any rumors involving Egi glamours is actually good news for me.

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According to Yoshida himself (through the LL Revivals), they are working on them.
It's just that it's still a "long way off", apparently.

Also, the whole point of the Egi glamour system was to give us Egis from Primals we've defeated post-2.0 (with some Carbuncles on the side).

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Originally Posted by Gallus

Make something like Demi Nidhogg happen and give us a fully alternating Demi rotation.
That would feel like a real SMN to me. The Egis are graphically outdated and are overstaying at this point.

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Not gonna happen.
Lore-wise, Allagan Summoners create constructs (e.g. Egis) or Trances out of Primals, and Nidhogg was definitely not a Primal.

In any case, I sincerely hope they stick with Egis for "regular" Primals, and Trances/Demis for stronger ones (such as Alexander or Shinryu).

Eh, while he wasn't a Primal they could always come up with some explanation for it. I think the bigger issue is it's a lot of dragon (why I would hope no Shinryu too).

i presume Dragoon will get all the nidohog stuff and to be fair egi could really just go ,obviously keep Bahamut and Phoenix but SMN could really do with a Aesthetic overhaul so its attacks actually look like its summoning stuff instead of mostly being poison mage with pets.

I wouldn't mind a Warring Triad side-plot to give us Sephirot, Sophia and Zurvan egis, seeing as the model for Sephirot is already in the game.
Sure it may just be a colour palette swap on the Titan egi, but it's a new aesthetic option at least, and you could easily include all three within the same short quest about attuning to some device in Azyz Lla. Plus they line up with Titan/Garuda/Ifrit fairly well and could even use the same attacks.

Guys smn is basicly an engineer. He can make a coffee maker magic circuit if he so wished. Plus the allagans got the techniques from the ascians so it is possible to summon something Just from nothing. It Just reqcuires a fck ton of aether. This is why i keep saying smn doesnt have an identity crisis and if anything dots game play works smoothly and its fun.
Oh and something else. Miasma and bio is the magic way of what garland did with Black rose.
Srsly smn/acn/sch lore is too good. These jobs are properly explained magic users. I Just wish that they didnt take a shit on them in shb and also that they dont get lazy and make something as unappealing as a fester that looks like a summon. Jesus christ that is not summoning if anything its a diservice to an actual summon.