Problems letting go of XI? Japanese too.

To many, there is no thrill in not getting a claim on an NM. It feels like three wasted hours during which we could have done something more productive. That's one of the reason people are personally adverse to HNMs making a return to XIV.

Hence the staggering response to the instance question in the Player's Poll last year that players would rather their content instanced.

There is plenty I would like to see come over though. Like Dynamis (fully instanced, not just a separate zone that one group makes exclusive to themselves for three hours), ZNMs, Salvage, Nyzule Isle, Einherjar, Assaults, Campaign, BC/IS/E/NMs.

I think what people are most worried about in the "like XI" discussion is the major drawbacks. The fruitless hours. Camping, traveling, farming. It all wouldn't have been so bad had there been some form of persistent personal progress.

I'm not saying there had to be a reward at the end of every event, but if XIV gets something like Dynamis, it'd be nice if each run gave a set amount of something like Company Seals that could go toward eventually paying for high-priced items.

In XI, a large group of people put in a lot of hours to get one person a reward. The understanding being that everyone would stick around till everyone got what they were after. But that wasn't always the case.

An example being the fact that I never got an Optical Hat. I put in the effort to get my own Eye Cluster. I organized and participated in many runs. However I always believed in doing things fair and would always /random for pop order. I alwaus drew the short straw. By the time my turn would come up, There'd be too few people remaining to win because people would get their drop then suddenly have plans. Plenty of groups tried anyway. But like many things in XI winning was a matter of having enough bodies.

No one wants things just handed to them for showing up (well, not everyone. There are those out there who look up cheat codes before they load up a game). People just want things to be sensible.

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Originally Posted by Sephrick

Heck, according to you thought process SE owes me a next gen Tactics 2. I've bought the original about four times now.

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Btw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYXjdHrdxDg so looks like you could be getting it :P

-Edit- That's irony at it's best if that's what it is, it's most likely tactics 2 although it might not be.

Nevrath- I didn't play after WotG either, but I kept tabs on XI, just as I keep tabs on FFXIV. After they raised the level cap, somehow it became possible to level from 1 to 99 in some odd 4 days, at least i think that's what was posted. I don't know the particulars, but apparently the abbyssea level grind rewards 300k/hr and there's some method of using said content to PL a low level toon.

And of course now that level 99 is a thing, I've got my doubts about people wasting time on sky, sea, and all that other junk since abyssea gear (naturally) outclasses the old stuff. Hell they even gimped some of the relics, even though they swore they wouldn't let all the hard effort behind getting them go to waste.

That being said, if I could find 5 more loose nuts like me I'd be willing to dust off my old toon, gear up my level 10 pally and static through the RoZ/CoP zones one last time for old time's sake.

Ah grand company dynamis version where we fight the garleans. :3
Now spice it up a little by adding more "battle objectives". :O
And ye.. optical hat.. y.y
I remember NM camping....the challenge was to not blink in the wrong moment after starring at ur monitor for 3 hours. (7h spawn windows ftw... -.-)
BCNM was fun if you were lucky to have the right job and the friends with the right jobs.
Im all for BCNM alikes in ff14. Still very challengng thats fine but less costly in the entrance fee (instead maybe you can get 1 "entrance key" all lets say 3 days and atleast one in the group must have one to open.)
That way it gets encouraged to try the fight with diffrent group setups since loosing wont result in the loss of so many beastmen seals...
Also.. not hiding the entrance at the most far away corner in some far away area so getting there alone takes 30min while the fight is just 10 min...

Again, GIANT timesink.

Hmmm... full RDM Relic farmed in over 1 year hard work (too many rdms wanting it) and then boom, theres better easyer to get gear why did you waste ur time in dynamis every week for hours again? Omg i would quit...

Yeah even before Abyssea there was some Astral Flow party thing which got some people up to 70+ from ~lv20 in 1-2 days.
PLing in that way should not be possible. It kind of kills something of the game.

Yeah, but the astral flow thing was somewhat limited in scope. I think I may have seen it happening like 3x in the 4-6 months I played during WotG. I can't even rightly call the Abyssea stuff PLing, because at this point the old style of grinding doesn't exist. They've effectively replaced the whole leveling system with something else.

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Originally Posted by Exn

This. I feel pretty much the same way. I also hear this alot from other people who played XI. Someone then explained to me that because XI was my first MMO, alot of that "epic feeling" was proly just due to that fact, and most people feel that way for their first MMO (that they enjoyed). According to him, you never really fully get that shock and awe again that you had from the 1st time..

Now I dunno if I agree with that, but I've tried a couple different mmo's since XI, and while XIV might get there, can't say that I've found anything that really does it for me yet.

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Yup hes right you don't get it back, FF11 was my first mmo and probably my most memorable, that's not to say its my favourite though, it was far too convoluted and time sinky for my liking.

Saying that I have places and times whilst playing WoW that I remember with similar nostalgia, they still don't' compare to the fresh new world that 11 offered.

All these things people are pointing out as detriments of XI are systems which in themselves served their purpose. Players ruin games, but everyone wants to pin all the fault for everything on SE. "If SE didn't add this system or that system then we wouldn't be able to misuse it (even though we the players are the ones who begged for the system in the first place)! It is SE's fault!" no.... just no. That's on the players. Hold your fellow players to higher standards and watch your experience improve.

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Originally Posted by ArnoMorley

Kind of a shallow statement. First I'd like to point out that if you don't feel the attachment to it how would possibly know why others are attached to it?.

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I clearly state in my post that I love the game like my first kiss.

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Originally Posted by ArnoMorley

Who has the right to set the tone of somebody else's person preferences? Not to say nostalgia doesn't play a role with people but who are you to say that's all it is? XI was a better game. You may think the mechanics are broken but that's not how others feel.

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I guess neither of us has the right, but we are both trying to ;)

The other flaw in your logic:

You are comparing a beta to a finished game that was dealt a death blow when WoW went mainstream and just refuses to bleed out.

Let her die gracefully with respect and understanding of what she was. She was a Beautiful and unforgiving, flawed but exciting, slow but sweet. But most of all....she is now outdated and not what the mmo players of today want.

You can argue that till you are blue in the face but numbers do not lie. PPL want to play WOW, which is almost as old, but they are STILL playing it....and gaining new subscriptions still.

I think what "gets my goat" the most is the players who keep talking to me as if I don't know whats up with FFXI. I dedicated HUGE amounts of my free time to that game, and loved it WHILE I was doing it. But as newer better games came out; I was able to see that not blinded by some odd sense of loyalty.

*SPOILER ALERT*

*Tanaka descends from nowhere with the Masamune, impaling Final Fantasy XI through the back*
*he flees, a giant blob creature with different mechanics and systems shows up*
*after an epic fight with giant blob...*
*takes FFXI, places gently in the water*
*let's FFXI sink to the bottom of water, while managing to stay afloat without swimming*
*could have used a Phoenix Down, but decided not to*
*goes on to Disc 2*
*RIP in Aeris...errr FFXI*
FFXI "But I'm still alive!"

/end spoiler