Can we report the Baldesion Arsenal discord group?

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Originally Posted by Alucard135

Nope, go read the "BA shows that we fail as a Community (big time)" thread and you'll see the ones I'm talking about. They were never in the discord group and don't even have the mount. And they admit to doing so out of spite. And there's another one that got salty for being kicked out of discord for sniping portals.

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the thing is, we can't do much about thos. but to ignore them. even them, just treat them "nice", we won.

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Originally Posted by AnnaRosa

Trying to say that just like any other player the person who joined could do it with no intention of wipe their BA team but with the intention to learn and try new content. :)

Ok understand that some players have different opportunities in game and for that they turn out to be "casuals" or the other you mentioned, but that doesn't change the fact that the "casuals" sometimes would like to try the content apparently directed JUST to the others.

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If a casual player wants to try out a savage raid for example, then they should start at the very beginning. The issue with these kind of content is that they're designed to cause a full party wipe from the single mistake of a single player. So someone who isn't confident enough to do the mechanics, shouldn't join. For example, I shouldn't join a clear party when I don't know anything.

If you turned out to not know anything in a savage clear party, the players will know and will kick you out. The only thing they wasted was the run time of the pulls that you got them killed in. But in BA it's much more severe. Not only you may end up wiping them, but the entire run would be wasted and they would have to most likely wait more hrs to get into another run.

So if someone wants to try BA, they should just simply ask people how to start and they will be directed. The big warning at the beginning clearly shows it's not a content that you should just blindly go in without any preparations.

And let's imagine there were no discord or similar software available. What will happen is that giant FCs or linkshells would be the ones that will run the show for BA. If you're lucky to be in one of them, they will most likely help you get the clear. And if you're not, that's one content that you might not be able to do.

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Originally Posted by LastFireAce

the thing is, we can't do much about thos. but to ignore them. even them, just treat them "nice", we won.

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That's what we do lol. We don't harass them or anything (those who do will have to handle the consequences of being reported). But if they can't hold their own against boss mechanics, it's not wise to risk the entire run for them. There are also new people who practiced to get the clear and it would be very unfair if their run was destroyed by a random who joined without knowing anything or someone that is being salty about "premades are monopolizing BA" and is trying to mess up the run.

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Originally Posted by Alucard135

If a casual player wants to try out a savage raid for example, then they should start at the very beginning. The issue with these kind of content is that they're designed to cause a full party wipe from the single mistake of a single player. So someone who isn't confident enough to do the mechanics, shouldn't join. For example, I shouldn't join a clear party when I don't know anything.

If you turned out to not know anything in a savage clear party, the players will know and will kick you out. The only thing they wasted was the run time of the pulls that you got them killed in. But in BA it's much more severe. Not only you may end up wiping them, but the entire run would be wasted and they would have to most likely wait more hrs to get into another run.

So if someone wants to try BA, they should just simply ask people how to start and they will be directed. The big warning at the beginning clearly shows it's not a content that you should just blindly go in without any preparations.

And let's imagine there were no discord or similar software available. What will happen is that giant FCs or linkshells would be the ones that will run the show for BA. If you're lucky to be in one of them, they will most likely help you get the clear. And if you're not, that's one content that you might not be able to do.

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Clearly understand what you saying but you obviously have no notion on how divisive that sounds if one player like me "casual" as the will to try such content and wants to spend time learning and practicing with a previous request, but has the SAD luck to put up with an attitude like that jesas better let you hug and eat the content because is just going to be a bad experience to anyone who wants to enjoy the game.

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Originally Posted by AnnaRosa

Trying to say that just like any other player the person who joined could do it with no intention of wipe their BA team but with the intention to learn and try new content. :)

Ok understand that some players have different opportunities in game and for that they turn out to be "casuals" or the other you mentioned, but that doesn't change the fact that the "casuals" sometimes would like to try the content apparently JUST directed to the others.

Never tried BA dungeon/raid/whatever if would like YES would like but after reading this thread one thing am sure will never try.

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I assure you if you try to join a pre-formed group you won't have a bad experience, in learning groups people are patient with newbies and everything is explained before every boss, no one teaches a learning group without expecting deaths at the first or second bosses, you just have to know if you die early it's unlikely you will get raise due to the cost of Sacrifice L (both in gil and in someone else potentially staying dead), but that shouldn't stop you from gaining experience.

I think anyone is capable of clearing BA, but you have to take it in steps, those support portals don't put you at the first bosses, they put you at the last 2 bosses where you both need to know what you're doing and need to have correct logograms.

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Originally Posted by alimdia

I assure you if you try to join a pre-formed group you won't have a bad experience, in learning groups people are patient with newbies and everything is explained before every boss, no one teaches a learning group without expecting deaths at the first or second bosses, you just have to know if you die early it's unlikely you will get raise due to the cost of Sacrifice L (both in gil and in someone else potentially staying dead), but that shouldn't stop you from gaining experience.

I think anyone is capable of clearing BA, but you have to take it in steps, those support portals don't put you at the first bosses, they put you at the last 2 bosses where you both need to know what you're doing and need to have correct logograms.

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Appreciate you informing that there are groups willing to have a good game experience and share it with others even if casuals.

-Have studied text guides and videos

-Is a tank

-Has Spirit of the Remembered, Wisdom the the Indomitable, Wisdom of the Martialist and Protect logos

-Bought the Kirin Osode of Fending off the market board for the +131 elemental bonus

-Can consistently handle Extreme and Savage mechanics

-Doesn't use Discord, so is NOT ALLOWED TO PLAY! DISCORD ONLY FOOL!

Stonewalled.

Feels bad.

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Originally Posted by AnnaRosa

Clearly understand what you saying but you obviously have no notion on how divisive that sounds if one player like me "casual" as the will to try such content and wants to spend time learning and practicing with a previous request, but has the SAD luck to put up with an attitude like that jesas better let you hug and eat the content because is just going to be a bad experience to anyone who wants to enjoy the game.

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Oh no that wasn't what I was going for, as Alimdia said, there are groups for learning BA and they are patient with newbies. They take about 5-7 min just to explain how the fight goes for the boss if there are any new people and offer call outs for them on discord. They also explain to you what logos you need, what they do and when to use them. And since the intention is learning, they raise dead players that fall during the first two bosses. The people on discord offer frag runs (which is basically the ones people join for first practice), AV prog and clear, Ozma prog and Ozma clear.

When I started, I did it in steps by joining with the appropriate party. If you were to join AV clear party while being fresh, no one will explain anything about Art and Owain or Raiden, since they will assume you know them. So that would be the worst way to practice them.

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Originally Posted by Mixt

-Have studied text guides and videos

-Is a tank

-Has Spirit of the Remembered, Wisdom the the Indomitable, Wisdom of the Martialist and Protect logos

-Bought the Kirin Osode of Fending off the market board for the +131 elemental bonus

-Can consistently handle Extreme and Savage mechanics

-Doesn't use Discord, so is NOT ALLOWED TO PLAY! DISCORD ONLY FOOL!

Stonewalled.

Feels bad.

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NA/EU primarily organize via Discord. I can’t speak for any DC but Aether, but the amount of in-instance planning for BA is virtually non-existant. All groups on Aether are formed outside of the instance, typically via the Arsenal discord. When there is not a pre-made group within an Hydatos instance, there is virtually no attempts to even try the content—occasionally you see maybe half a dozen shout “lfg BA” and maybe a dozen or so actually going into the dungeon, but other than that, the only interest players show in BA is when they seem to be aware that there’s already a premade inside the instance.

Perhaps you should just try the Discord route?

Some ppl just dont wanna do the discord route, no matter anything. And we just cant do a learning as no one will ever try... like the delevel is soooo bad.... but i just gave up on it. Just another mistake SE made.

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Originally Posted by Kuroka

Some ppl just dont wanna do the discord route, no matter anything. And we just cant do a learning as no one will ever try... like the delevel is soooo bad.... but i just gave up on it. Just another mistake SE made.

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Attempting to go against the system just out of a principle of stubbornness never seems to work well for anyone. If people want a clear, all I can do is recommend that they attempt to get one in the way their region typically does things—it’s much easier to go with the flow than against it. And, if you delevel through trying, you just go to Sprite Island with some Reflect L and level up again. It takes 20~30 minutes there at the most, and really isn’t that bad. A lot of players that have progged BA have also deleveled. Just comes with the territory.