Don't like Blue Mage? Here is how to convince SE to change it...

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

Which is exactly why lots of people already accepted that BLU couldn't be included in the game while satying faithful to its roots.

You misunderstand what I meant by "their assumption". You see people pissed because BLU won't ever be allowed to raid, even though nothing was said about that. They don't know when the level cap will be raised but they're pissed that it won't be level 80 before at least another expansion. Again, this is based on nothing.

That, I really doubt. Remove the learning part and the truly hybrid possibilities, and you just don't have a Blue Mage.

Even less innovative or fun is "running the same content you already do only with another caster DPS"

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A lot of people had faith that the developers were competent enough to figure it out. But I would surely prefer BLU never be added to the game over this sad freakshow of a job it's been relegated to. At least then this waste of development time could have been used to make a real job. Or improve the expansion at all.

There was absolutely something said about BLU not being allowed to raid. Did you not pay attention during the panel? Yoshi P specifically used a terrible example of Death 5 being able to one-shot bosses in current content, seemingly forgetting that the developers are the ones in control of class balance and could, you know, make that not be the case. As it currently stands they are designing BLU to be incompatible with future group content, hence it being billed as a 'solo' job. If they are content to leave BLU an un-tuned mess, then do you really think it will be allowed in raid content? So yes, it's very much based in reality.

What 'hybrid possibilities' are there in grinding trash? BLU is not just it's FFXI incarnation. Besides, BLU learning it's abilities has no bearing on whether or not it can be balanced for all content. It's simply a slightly different way to level, but that part of BLU is a temporary venture at best. Eventually you will learn all your abilities. BLU has to be more than simply learning shit, and being relegated to coliseum matches and old stompable content on older jobs is not worth all the effort one has to put into grinding RNG abilities.

Gee, let's compare. BLU who can only access old content + a gladiator arena or a BLU who is designed properly and can access all new content going forward in every future expansion at the time of release? BLU as it is now is a novelty that will wear thin within a month. Being able to play the rest of the new content as it comes out will always be more fun than being relegated to the circus.

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Originally Posted by Skyskip

Gee, let's compare. BLU who can only access old content + a gladiator arena or a BLU who is designed properly and can access all new content going forward in every future expansion at the time of release? BLU as it is now is a novelty that will wear thin within a month. Being able to play the rest of the new content as it comes out will always be more fun than being relegated to the circus.

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This is only true if you ever had any intention of maining blue mage, which 93-95% of the population does not assuming it adhered to the typical population spread.

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

As far as we know, BLU won't have levels tied to their spells. And even then, if a lvl50 monster teach you a powerful spell that you could set at any level (Like how role actions work, for example), people will complain that you don't have it.

Considering 1) it never happened during a dry period and 2) no new job started at level one since Ninja, you can't really judge if it would have been more useful to keep people interested. I'll speak for myself but I'm more interested in a lvl1 job with its unique leveling method and specific content than simply another lvl50 job to run content I already run with in any role with another lvl70 job.

People are pissed by their own assumptions of how BLU will end in the future even before it's released, while still complaining that every content is always the same and nothing new comes in the game. And they'd probably be pissed if BLU was shoehorned into simply another caster DPS with nothing to really make it stand of. At some point, if you can't please everyone, you just make what you think is innovative and fun.

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We don't know if spells will have a level requirement to learn but it's definitely possible. Your lvl 50 spell example could happen but should we remove vote kick now? That's not a lot different than other reasons people get kicked.

Blu could be done as a "XIV job" and still start at level 1 and have the same learning method. Then introduce some requirements to use the DF instead of locking them out of matchmaking.

We keep seeing things long the lines of "don't attack the idea until you've experienced it" and "we don't know how it will be in the future". If it's going to be a full job and they came out and said that's what they are eventually working towards that goal then the backlash would go away so fast. But if that's not the case and then plan on keeping it "not suited for group play" then tell me what could possibly happen with the job to make the limited concept better for people like me who wanted to main it in the FULL game.

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Originally Posted by Clover_Blake

Basically this.

Also, I think Blue Mage has a lot of room for future updates, since it'll keep getting new skills and new challenges as its level raises. 48 (49?) skills are already a lot to digest to start with! I hope that people who are disappointed will at least give it a try, and see if the challenge that Blue Mage poses is entertaining to them.

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There have been a lot saying they will boycott the job or are unsubbing because of this. I was already unsubbed due to my static falling apart and issues with my MS but was ready to come back until that live letter.

Blu could be a lot of fun and the content looks fun. Still won't make up for it not being functional in the FULL game where we can do current content with friends.

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Originally Posted by Arkdra

This is only true if you ever had any intention of maining blue mage, which 93-95% of the population does not assuming it adhered to the typical population spread.

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This based on...what, exactly? Does that mean you also think all further jobs should be relegated to golden saucer-esque minigames like BLU? How much player engagement goes into chocobo races and triple triad?

Just because someone isn't maining BLU now doesn't mean they wouldn't want to focus on it in the future. With it's current build you don't even get that option.

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Originally Posted by Skyskip

This based on...what, exactly? Does that mean you also think all further jobs should be relegated to golden saucer-esque minigames like BLU? How much player engagement goes into chocobo races and triple triad?

Just because someone isn't maining BLU now doesn't mean they wouldn't want to focus on it in the future. With it's current build you don't even get that option.

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Yes actually. I would much prefer they don't ever add another full job to this game and instead focus on the ones that are already in the game so that maybe some jobs stop slipping through the cracks for entire expansions or several patch cycles all the time. Also people maining blu in the future has no relevance to their overall demographic occupation. Just as many people will stop maining blu.

But, "This time the pld quest isn't boring trash." or, "We finally managed to balance healers" or, "We've finally managed to shake nin, drg, sch and warrior out of their 5 year long dominance in the raid meta." don't move boxes like a new job.

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Originally Posted by Arkdra

Yes actually. I would much prefer they don't ever add another full job to this game and instead focus on the ones that are already in the game so that maybe some jobs stop slipping through the cracks for entire expansions or several patch cycles all the time. Also people maining blu in the future has no relevance to their overall demographic occupation. Just as many people will stop maining blu.

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I think that might be an even more unpopular opinion than anything else lol.

I mean, you do you, but out of all the MMO's I've ever played I've been constantly impressed by how well this team juggles it's class balance. There are far, far worse games on the market that struggle with way less classes than FFXIV.

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Originally Posted by Arkdra

Yes actually. I would much prefer they don't ever add another full job to this game and instead focus on the ones that are already in the game so that maybe some jobs stop slipping through the cracks for entire expansions or several patch cycles all the time. Also people maining blu in the future has no relevance to their overall demographic occupation. Just as many people will stop maining blu.

But, "This time the pld quest isn't boring trash." or, "We finally managed to balance healers" or, "We've finally managed to shake nin, drg, sch and warrior out of their 5 year long dominance in the raid meta." don't move boxes like a new job.

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Then shouldn't we be asking for them to slow down on the patch cycle some so they have enough time for these things AND new FULL jobs? I rather wait longer to get the things I want then have the things I want chained to a mini game.

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

It won't change anyting. What the game requires is different than what the players require. Basically, if people thinks you're a burden at minlvl, they'll kick you. For BLU, if they think that a particular skill is necessary even though the game doesn't require it, they could kick you. So the only solution is to require all skills, which remove the freedom of chosing them.

That's the thing, BLU does not simply run outdated content. BLU is content. Leveling BLU, farming actions and playing it in Masked Carnival will keep people playing.

You don't know what content will be available to BLU in SH. For now, you can only safely assume that a 3rd Deep Dungeon and the next installement of PvP won't be. As a matter of fact, you should be able to be a BLU in Eureka, considering there's no matchmaking and that, once inside, you can freely change job. So, let's say BLU has some spells that don't scale on their stats (Demi spells, Reraise, or things like that....) it could be really powerful even at lvl 50.

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Strange how blue is content yet at the same time your posts sounds like you are sure that they will be later useable in higher level duties. Why? I mean its already content right?

Again SE has made this a limited job, gave it a new category, stated that it cant use queues because of fear for toxic behaviour and because it would destroy the bosses. They make sure to give it its own content and say that it will get level updates in Shadowbringer patches. Why would they not simply state: It will be lvl 80 in Shadowbringer and you will be able to use it in other content in the future..why would they go and make it look like its going to always be a solo job and maybe for really outdated content if that is not the case...I mean you could literally feel the emotions and happiness dropping in the room in the keynote when they brought up the first informations about its restriction. How would it be great PR not to state more things if they already know them as facts? I mean this is again a new content that seems to split the playerbase and that for something which should be used to hype the new things..

The reasons about the kickings are bad imo. We have bad people already being kicked, we have people going into higher content as classes not jobs and being kicked. Why care for Blue mages but not for all the other cases? Also I just dont understand it, what exactly would be bad to restrict certain spells in duties if it can still use everything in the overworld? Restricting it in duties would not take away from the enjoyment of it in the content meant for it, it would just give all the other people that want is a job a chance to play it too.

If Blue Mage itself can be classified as content, then would a fully implemented Blue Mage not also be content? If it's about collecting spells from wild monsters, I see no reason why that can't be retained. If Masked Carnival is the content that is being referenced, does it not sound better to have something that is virtually identical, but accessible to all jobs and not just Blue Mage?