No flying in 5.0: Would it be better?

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Originally Posted by Mhaeric

Use your left mouse button, not your right to pan the camera. You can pan the camera using the left mouse button to view in any direction while both flying or grounded, and it doesn't affect your movement at all.

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I’m on PS4. The right analogue stick moves the camera when grounded (whether riding or on foot) and it can move around you, but as soon as you take off, you’re locked to flying straight ahead wherever you point the camera. Meanwhile the left stick, your primary movement at all other times, only seems to make minor adjustments to your movement. The right stick becomes the primary steering control.

It’s very strange and perhaps there’s something to adjust it in the settings, but if so then I haven’t seen it.

i'm fine with no flying as long as you can unlock faster mounts early on. also the new should be more ground mount friendly. all of SBs zone basically were designed with flying/swimming in mind.

Or they could add some danger to the skies. Flying kills the sense of adventure and danger because you literally coast over everything with no regard.

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Originally Posted by Mhaeric

No, [forcing a lower height limit doesn't cut down on the enjoyment of flight]. Can you honestly tell me that your enjoyment is less when flying through the higher elevation areas that have features of interest in the current zones we have? Those areas have exactly the level of flight that I'm suggesting. Go fly through the forest just outside of Castrum Oriens to see exactly what I'm talking about. Then compare that to flying above the forest in the northwest corner of The Peaks. Heck, even the Chocobo Forest around Tailfeather is better designed for interesting flight than that zone. I'm simply making a suggestion to not have those giant empty air spaces in the lower elevation parts of the maps anymore. I'm certainly not suggesting limiting flight to 15 or 20 feet off the ground or anything. That would be ridiculous. Just have the upper limit move up down at a similar rate that the ground elevation moves up and down, but not so high that detailed textures cease to display and mobs look like ants. Compare the difference between the north and south halves of the map in The Peaks. If the upper limit just scaled down a bit from the south half to the low half it'd be a much more interesting zone to travel through.

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There's a joy in soaring high above and seeing everything far below you. There's a different joy in flying close above the ground where you can see the details. Why force people to only be able to do one of those two things and say that it makes it "better"? You don't need to go to max height if you don't want to. I don't normally go there either. But that's not a reason to take away the ability to do so.

(And having just noticed the quote in your signature, I think it's rather ironic in this situation!)


Also I think a varying-height upper limit would get annoying, regardless of that that height is, because you'd potentially crash into it while flying 'level' and you can't see it to steer around it.

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Originally Posted by Xeonerable

Or they could add some danger to the skies. Flying kills the sense of adventure and danger because you literally coast over everything with no regard.

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For me, that makes flying feel like a reward - you've battled through all the enemies on the ground, tracked down all the aether currents, now you're finally allowed to travel in peace instead of having something try to attack you every five seconds.

A design choice to make vertically denser areas is not taking away anything.from anyone.


There's no need to steer around a gradual change in upper elevation. Im the same way you walk up a hill on the ground you would flyw down the "hill" in the air.

As for my quote, you're clearly not understanding it if you think that I'm demanding flight be removed or limited in order to male me happy. In my last post I even said as much specifically.

I will say straight up that after experiencing the disaster that was WoW trying to remove flight, from WoD to Legion, there is not a thing anyone can say to make me ever think that removing flight would make the game better. For all the dev's promises of making better, more interesting ground content if they were to hold back flight for a little bit, it proved to be nothing but hollow words and promises. You could argue that FFXIV's devs aren't WoW's devs, and you'd be right, but if you ask me they'd be fools to take the risk of taking flight out after WoW started hemorrhaging subs the moment they announced no flight forever. I would hope the FFXIV devs have more sense then to mimic a failed move.

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Originally Posted by Starkbeaumont

i'm fine with no flying as long as you can unlock faster mounts early on. also the new should be more ground mount friendly. all of SBs zone basically were designed with flying/swimming in mind.

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All of SB's zones were designed without PS3 support in mind.

Here, I fixed it for you.

If we'd never had flying the player-base would be fine with it and the world would probably feel slightly more alive. But we have had flying, players will kick up a massive fuss if it's taken away, so that's that.
You can't roll back features that players find convenient. You can only never implement them in the first place.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

It’s very strange and perhaps there’s something to adjust it in the settings, but if so then I haven’t seen it.

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One way to look down that you still probably have access to is using the jump button for the mount to "go up" while you look down. It will then fly up instead (as it takes precedence over the camera-based flight) and you can maintain a flight height reasonably well like that. That being said, it is still less comfortable and more limited than freely moving camera. But it makes finding something on the ground much easier.

Then again...it may not work on the pad either...so who knows?! You can just try it though.