Tank Scaling still a massive issue

The issue I have with the small amount of STR added is now the crafted Fending rings every even patch cycle will always outweigh the supposed best. Just meld in the first slot and overmeld Direct Hit or Tenacity in everything else.

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Originally Posted by Seku

The "X" in this equation is what matters the most. The tank is offered 75% upfront. But 75% of what and an additional 5% of what? If the variable "x" for attack power is 50 for tanks, but the DPS attack power variable "x" is 200, as that's their payment for each patch cycle of gear, then the gap between tanks and DPS increases each patch cycle, instead of staying a static amount different from each other.

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I'm not trying to put words in Shinkyo's text. But I think your trying to draw too much from that example. X is an undefined variable, it would be however much AP increases per str for that given role. The % in reference are the str we have on accessories now (75%) and the (5 x 5%) is the small +2 str from each accessory. Whereas dps get an "upgrade" each step, I think what he's basically saying is we got our "upgrade" upfront with the addition of str, and a small bonus each new accessory.

They should be able to better balance str amounts on dps and tanks moving forward, as others said it was just an emergency fix regarding 270 accessories so they had to balance it with the content already designed. Tanks do not need the same AP as dps right now. There is no scaling issue currently, there is no dps issue currently.

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Originally Posted by whiskeybravo

I'm not trying to put words in Shinkyo's text. But I think your trying to draw too much from that example. X is an undefined variable, it would be however much AP increases per str for that given role. The % in reference are the str we have on accessories now (75%) and the (5 x 5%) is the small +2 str from each accessory. Whereas dps get an "upgrade" each step, I think what he's basically saying is we got our "upgrade" upfront with the addition of str, and a small bonus each new accessory.

They should be able to better balance str amounts on dps and tanks moving forward, as others said it was just an emergency fix regarding 270 accessories so they had to balance it with the content already designed. Tanks do not need the same AP as dps right now. There is no scaling issue currently, there is no dps issue currently.

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You may not have put word into my mouth but you perfectly conveyed my thoughts :-)

Even if tank accessories had all str they would still be a worse drop for raid dps than getting a dps accessory drop. The whole argument that the raid is collectively disappointed at a fending drop is a strawman argument as they'll be disappointed no matter what stats are on a tank drop. It's a tank drop.

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Originally Posted by DacienSanderon

Even if tank accessories had all str they would still be a worse drop for raid dps than getting a dps accessory drop. The whole argument that the raid is collectively disappointed at a fending drop is a strawman argument as they'll be disappointed no matter what stats are on a tank drop. It's a tank drop.

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That's no excuse; it's a matter of degree. i340 Fending accessories are dangerously close to "not even an upgrade," especially when considering i320 crafted accessories.

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Originally Posted by Argyle_Darkheart

That's no excuse; it's a matter of degree. i340 Fending accessories are dangerously close to "not even an upgrade," especially when considering i320 crafted accessories.

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Would it really be better if Omega drops were the only option for gear ?

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

Would it really be better if Omega drops were the only option for gear ?

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Considering it has 20 higher ilv, it's bullshit how marginal the improvement is compared to non overmelded i320 crafted accs or lakshmi accs. But hey, at the very least I get 2 more str from 20 ilv upgrade, so it's still not as bad as gordias or pre 4.05, since pure vit acc drops would be literal garbage for progression.

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

You can contextualize it all you want, the fact of the matter is that getting 'fending' one week is no different than getting 'slaying' another, because the stuff is clearable with the i320 crafted / Omega story.

In this regard, getting fending over DPS/Healing isn't a huge detriment, especially since it's only on the right side, which is significantly less than leftside upgrades.

I can't speak for the day-1 clearers, but I doubt any of them saw nothing but Slaying drop, and those drops likely did not influence the clear orders at any significant margin.

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All accessory upgrades provide marginal benefit, but the main dmg stat gain from upgrading a i320 fending acc is 1/7 of the other jobs so that's still a bad thing.

For low ilv progression dps gain would help in covering for mistakes as I mentioned before. Tanks having more hp is also helpful to cover for mistakes, but 1.5k hp on a tank is way less valuable than let's say 1.5k hp on a dps or healer if you consider the type of damage we are taking. 1.5k extra hp is way less likely to save a tank from a tank buster in case of a mistake in mitigation or healing, compared to 1.5k extra hp to save a dps from getting one shot by aoe or mechanics. I'd argue extra hp past the amount provided by minimum ilv gear to clear the raid is least valuable on a tank.

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Originally Posted by DacienSanderon

Even if tank accessories had all str they would still be a worse drop for raid dps than getting a dps accessory drop. The whole argument that the raid is collectively disappointed at a fending drop is a strawman argument as they'll be disappointed no matter what stats are on a tank drop. It's a tank drop.

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I don't really get where you see a straw man there, but your argument just shows that Square didn't address any of the problems and there are still major issues with tank scalling. And there is a difference between worse and borderline useless.

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Originally Posted by Argyle_Darkheart

i340 Fending accessories are dangerously close to "not even an upgrade," especially when considering i320 crafted accessories.

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Crafted accessories, if penta melded, are already better than ilvl 340 afaik and the margin should be quite big with the introduction of Direct Hit.



Edit: Well they did address the ilvl 270 STR accessory problem.

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Originally Posted by aleph_null

Considering it has 20 higher ilv, it's bullshit how marginal the improvement is compared to non overmelded i320 crafted accs or lakshmi accs.

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Frankly, for me, Omega Savage shouldn't even drop accessories. It would give room to create a relevant content in 4.1, even for people who already farmed O1S completely.

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

Frankly, for me, Omega Savage shouldn't even drop accessories. It would give room to create a relevant content in 4.1, even for people who already farmed O1S completely.

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Frankly for me it'd be better if o1s doesn't even drop fending accs, since that'll guarantee that we'd get healer accs or dps accs instead lol.

There is always a room for contents with relevant drops. We have four (?) secondary stats, so not counting reversed allocation (crit/det vs det/crit for example) there are still 6 possible combinations. 2 are taken by tomestone gear and savage gear, so there are still options. They could also add stat customization like anima weapons for savage weapons, so those who can clear savage raids don't have to grind for their BiS weapon months after the raid tier was released.

The devs also mentioned about some super hard fight being released in odd patches so there's a possibility of some kind of relevant drops there.