3.4 speculation

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Originally Posted by Theodric

A rational debate seems impossible, then, I see.

If you're going to associate a fondness for a morally dubious fictional race with supporting Nazi Germany then it's pretty clear that you're not interested in a debate in the first place.

Then again it isn't the first time such an 'argument' has been put forward on this board and it likely won't be the last either.

As I said, we shall simply have to agree to disagree on the subject. Which, incidentally, is yet another attempt to get people to discuss something else instead of allowing things to escalate further.

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We gave you concrete evidence and you said that this debate is not rational? wow.. okay

Well, OF COURSE the Garleans had a reason to start their conquest. Probably one they could justify to themselves, like perhaps their original land lacked the natural resources to feed their own people, but their neighboring nations did.

That doesn't justify Garlemald's current leadership treating anyone not Garlean as slave labor, cannon fodder, or a trophy to win. I'm not even touching the whole sex slave issue, but it needs to be mentioned that it's a thing that exists!

So, while I don't think Garlemald's entire pureblood population is evil to the core, nor that we couldn't find some allies who stay on the side of Garlemald, it's ABUNDANTLY clear that the people in charge of the nation think their atrocious acts against humanity are justified, even if only because that's what they've been taught their whole lives.

War is never simple.

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Originally Posted by Frederick22

We gave you concrete evidence and you said that this debate is not rational? wow.. okay

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You didn't, really. I pointed out - repeatedly - that the Garleans are painted in a negative light largely because we haven't seen their side of the story. It's much in the same way as how the situation with the Dravanians played out. How many people brushed them off as mindless beasts to be slaughtered because they were 'evil' up until the 'big reveal', I wonder? Quite a few, I imagine. In fact if you go through the older threads on this board then there's many posts to be found regarding such matters.

If you don't agree, that's fine. There's no need to make it personal though, especially with the horrid associations with supporting Nazi Germany. Will I get a genuine apology for that, I wonder? I doubt it very much. To me it just cements my concerns that quite a few vocal posters here are more than willing to get nasty and seek to drive away people with different opinions to them. Which wouldn't be unusual for a site like this - coming from a WoW background I am well aware of the bizarre and weird lengths at which people go to in order to defend their favoured faction or race.

Add to that a hive mind mentality and it makes for a dangerous combination...especially when the number of active posters is rather small to begin with.

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Originally Posted by PArcher

So, you think the Nazis were justified with World War 2 and the Holocaust, right?

Its not the same thing exactly, but there are plenty of similarities.

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Don't mention it then, that was so below the belt it is literally unreal lmao

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Originally Posted by Theodric

YAdd to that a hive mind mentality and it makes for a dangerous combination...especially when the number of active posters is rather small to begin with.

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Or...maybe, just maybe...everyone is against you because you are so wrong we can't believe how you're able to keep going.

Its as if you believe the earth is flat.

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Originally Posted by Yuella

I have a feeling that WoD's team will end up helping us once they realize that the Ascians are up to no good. But not before we have an epic fight with them. They could be this games' Ark Angels so we may have to fight them one by one and the Minstrel's Ballad version is the Divine Might version where we have to fight all of them at once.

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Sounds lame, it would be better if the WoD team helped us realize that the giant talking crystal was the bad guy all along and that we have been destroying Eorzias protectors (the primal's).

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Originally Posted by Ametrine

Well, OF COURSE the Garleans had a reason to start their conquest. Probably one they could justify to themselves, like perhaps their original land lacked the natural resources to feed their own people, but their neighboring nations did.

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It doesn't take much to realize what kind of history a country where it's people have a genetic disadvantage to almost every other species on the planet would have. A civilization born on the ideals where the weak get trampled by the strong is a pretty big give away.

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Originally Posted by PArcher

Or...maybe, just maybe...everyone is against you because you are so wrong we can't believe how you're able to keep going.

Its as if you believe the earth is flat.

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I think you might be taking it a little seriously, as mentioned we don't know enough to outright call them nazis, much less people who are interested in seeing more about garlemald AS an empire and a country with more sympathetic people, not just generic evil doers and something we defeat and recreate into a new government.

I think 3.4-3.5 is going to culminate in a schism between the remaining Scions: Elidybus already has Uriangier listening to him, and Thancred will be easy to pry away if he dangles something about getting Minfillia back from her current state in front of him. I could see the dynamic duo going separate ways for a while as well; big Papa being concerned about his duties to the world at large vs Yda's efforts in aiding the Ala Mhigan resistance. I also think Alisae is gonna take her brother's spot as our chief sidekick for most of 4.0. And I know it'll never happen but if we get another "crew" together like we had through most of 3.0 I really want the Deftarm to come along wth us.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Add to that a hive mind mentality and it makes for a dangerous combination...especially when the number of active posters is rather small to begin with.

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Just wow..... Cilia gaves you concrete evidence, I gave you concrete evidence and Parcher too.
But you still think we have a hive mind and saing irracional things.

Just by adding the music of the garlean empire is very similar in some way to the all known popular song of Dark Vader. Common.

Little ppl supports you. Just admit we are right in what we are saing.

Also what made the Nazi german evil was Hitler, Gobbels and the SS. But the people of its nation, some did not agree, just remember Operation Valkyrie.

Garleam empire is similar. A militar dictatorship. But of couse there could be someone on the army that doest agree with this. I agree that is posible we may become allies with one of the unknow legatus.