Rest in peace War dps

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Originally Posted by Galgarion

Super dedicated tanks are presently approaching 1,000 AP.

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I can confirm 1,000 AP with ilvl221+full party+food buff, its actually exactly 1,000 on PLD and 1,010 for WAR and DRK as they still get 10 more AP than PLD. When solo without any buffs its approx 957 AP or so.

i realy dont get why people hate this. before the change my PLD only had like 720 attack power while in VIT build and about 840 in STR build. after it jumped up to 850 attack power in VIT build.
so i got more powerful while keeping HP up. top it off my clemency heals more now then did in either build before the change.

in game stats, not parse.

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Originally Posted by ErzaScar

i realy dont get why people hate this. before the change my PLD only had like 720 attack power while in VIT build and about 840 in STR build. after it jumped up to 850 attack power in VIT build.
so i got more powerful while keeping HP up. top it off my clemency heals more now then did in either build before the change.

in game stats, not parse.

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Before the uplate I had over 1k ap on my warrior without food or party buff, but that jumped down into the 800s after. But, iirc, SE tuned existing content to make up for the fact that tank dps got nerfed...so even though we now do lower dps the content we had before requires less dps. If that's true, you could almost say that dps classes and healers got a dps increase instead of tanks getting nerfed. ;D

Rip war dps how does it feel not to be super overpowered even if your still best dps tank class and knowing your nothing compared to a real dps class now?

Let tanks remain tanks not go stupid with hybrid classes that se isn’t even interested in making so it’s a good thing war dps was corrected :)

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie-Amber

Rip war dps how does it feel not to be super overpowered even if your still best dps tank class and knowing your nothing compared to a real dps class now?

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We weren't even close to a truly good DPS before and still wipe the floor with bad/mediocre DPS. Why are you always so salty when it comes to anything related to WAR?

I think it's time for you to get that massive chip off your shoulder.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie-Amber

Let tanks remain tanks

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While I don't believe the dps actually stepped on the toes of dps classes, these changes put greater emphasis on the tanking role and strengthened the tanking role as a whole.
These are positive changes indeed.

Seeing as how there is 'WAR' and 'DPS' in the thread title and I don't really feel like starting up a whole new thread; I'm going to take this opportunity to seek some advice.

Currently as a WAR main I've noticed that I am greatly under performing these days(hurdurwhenwereyounotunderperforming)and feel like I'm several hundreds of DPS behind optimal play.

My general play is essentially, opening unchained+zerk etc and your run of the mill 'optimal' ezmodewardps4lyfe. Y'know, things like Fracture when on high stacks, or using FC after heavy swing to minmax those abandon stack crits, essentially perma-deliverance outside of opener. My opener as OT is generally slow build into 3FCZerk or straight into 2FCZerk if TA is thrown out early.

So for example, on SephirotEX, since that's the only thing I have the time or energy to do these days, I am able to achieve generally 750-870 with 870 being my highest recorded recently as MT, with no food or pots(I'm2cheap4pugs), and with my current gearset, which is more or less 120's with some IV melds and accessories with STRV and a sprinkle of lore pieces but only an upgraded Parashu(210) for weapon.

My concern is also exemplified by the fact that I dummy parse WAR and DRK fairly equally(we're talking 1050 vs 1050 respectively. No food, pots, and party buff etc) despite the latter having no access to a slashing debuff. I'm also a terrible DRK since I'm still learning how to not find myself clipping or running out of MP in actual content and all that.

I beseech you! Friends! What secret have I missed out on these past few months of absence? Did we discover some ultra 4FCzerk?! How are people doing these 1-1.1k averages on Sephex!

It could mostly be because of gear discrepancies but I'm not confident about my rotation based upon the results and appreciate any chance of improvement.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie-Amber

Rip war dps how does it feel not to be super overpowered even if your still best dps tank class and knowing your nothing compared to a real dps class now?

Let tanks remain tanks not go stupid with hybrid classes that se isn’t even interested in making so it’s a good thing war dps was corrected :)

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Wow, man. Dat salt.

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Originally Posted by FallenWings

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You sound like you're doing fine. Its probably a combination of melds and that weapon you're missing. The people hitting 1.1k in sephex are likely using very good food and pots and have well-melded gear. Nobody was doing 1.1k (no tanks anyway) during week 1.

If you're getting those numbers from fflogs, take them with a grain of salt, as people will go into fights they have on farm with extremely unorthodox and buff-heavy comps for the sole purpose of ranking.

Get your weapon and some more melds, maybe a few crafted pieces and you'll be fine.

On a side note, I want to ask about using berserk optimally. Of course we should take note of mechanics/phases where we can't hug the boss 20s straight, but suppose there's no such mechanic when berserk is off cd, should I immediately use it before my next gcd, or wait for 4 stacks and heavy swing for triple cleave berserk?

For example in sephirot ex p1 with my stats I'd be at 4 stacks when berserk is like on 7s cd, so I either do another eye rotation and waste 2 stacks or do a fell cleave and build stacks again (which I guess would be a big dps loss since that's like holding berserk for 10-15s).