Meracydia/Miqo'te/Azys La speculations (spoilers)

yup, and the type of bad has similiarties with the ones found in places like fractal and so.

Don't forget to check out the ruins in Mor Dhona as well, similar structures there (though fused over in crystallized aether may make them harder to get good comparison shots).

Has anyone checked the Allagan ruins in the Sagolli Desert to see if they're similar to these other things?

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Originally Posted by WyrahFhurrst

Has anyone checked the Allagan ruins in the Sagolli Desert to see if they're similar to these other things?

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Yes, the ruins of Sagolli, the ruins of Carteneau Flats, the ruins found in east and west Thanalan, the ruins of Mor Dhona...Every structure we know of as Belah'dian and all the stonework of Azys Lla, it's all ancient Allagan. Proof can be found near the beginning of this thread.

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Originally Posted by treuhavik

Yes, the ruins of Sagolli, the ruins of Carteneau Flats, the ruins found in east and west Thanalan, the ruins of Mor Dhona...Every structure we know of as Belah'dian and all the stonework of Azys Lla, it's all ancient Allagan. Proof can be found near the beginning of this thread.

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We knew those ruins in the Sagolli were Allagan, a nearby NPC says they're Allagan, and they have that giant drill digging for more (future dungeon?).

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Originally Posted by WyrahFhurrst

We knew those ruins in the Sagolli were Allagan, a nearby NPC says they're Allagan, and they have that giant drill digging for more (future dungeon?).

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Haha! When reading your last post originally, I must've completely skipped "Allagan" and just read ruins. My mistake!

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Originally Posted by treuhavik

Haha! When reading your last post originally, I must've completely skipped "Allagan" and just read ruins. My mistake!

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No problem! We all get excited when chatting about lore!

Looks like it's time to double back on my work and re-categorize the similarities not-necessarily-correlative (or at least less directly correlative)

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Originally Posted by Fernehalwes

[T]hose similarities are a result of the Mhachi influence on Belah’dian, and then from there Sil’dihn and Ul’dahn styles. <...> I chimed in here about speculation on the NA Lore forums about similarities in the designs used in Azys Lla architecture and the Sunken Temple of Qarn, and if the Allagans actually created the temple. Oda-san denied this.

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Back to the drawing board! ><

My first thought was that one of the areas in-game coincidentally used the familiar design and caused us to connect one step further than we were meant to. On one hand, those are some pretty big repercussions, so I'm not sure it was a mere accident. Moreover, I'm just not sure which one would be the "mistake." If the Qarn designs are Mhachi, we can assume they just built over Allagan ruins in Cartenau and that's why they're together post-Dalamud. But that doesn't explain their appearance in Azys Lla at all...

Unlessssss the reason Mhach has been held back while Nym and Amdapor got fleshed out is that Mhach, like we're doing now, resurrected lost aesthetics (and technology?...), or perhaps that their civilization has older roots to begin with...

<looks at some speculation in this thread, then at the Void Ark>

Hm....

Gonna need to ponder this one for a bit. At least we know the boundaries and are thus pretty limited in the number of interpretations.

Given their relation to the Void, I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest, given their study of the Void, if the Mhachi were the "inheritors" of the Allagan legacy, in the same way Garlemald could be said to be in the current era... While Garlemald replicates (poorly, according to one Nodes quest) Allagan weaponry, perhaps the Mhachi simply replicated their architecture.

We've also been told that the center of the Mhachi civilization was at Yafaem Saltmoor, northwest of Mor Dhona, and if they also build Qarn... That's all of Mor Dhona and all of Thanalan under their belt (I wonder if parts of Coerthas could have been theirs as well... Our favorite Darkhold, for example...) and there was a fairly big Void Gate hidden under Mor Dhona... There's certainly a lot of room for them to pick up from ruined Allag...

Specifically, here's something to ponder; The teleporters in Crystal Tower. Where do you think they originated?

Where they Void constructs, given they're present in the Void/World of Darkness, that the Allagan took, studied, and then replicated in the Tower? Or where they Allagan constructs, that the Allag imported into the Void/World of Darkness?

Either answer can draw the same conclusion though; The Void held inspiration for designs for the Mhachi. Whether the Allag took designs from the Void in their study as well, or the Allag put structures in the Void, doesn't really matter. When the Mhachi come later, and start messing around with the Void, they find such structures and their Void-centric culture is built around similar designs.

It could be a Enlightenment vs Classical Rome & Greece thing, where the Mhachi modelled their architecture and magic off of Allagan Ruins out of admiration but there's no direct link beyond that.